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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:25 am
 


Jihadis are as lot different than most of these home-grown Islaimsts movements, like the Taliban ad these Bokos, or whatever they're called. These are not educated people. Most of them can't read, and simply been told by manipulative people what is in the Koran, mostly to suit the manipulators. To these manipulators, education is teh biggest threat. If people can read, they will realize they've been lied to. They will be unable to control the next generation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:27 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
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many jihadis are university educated.


True. Which certainly poses a bit of a conundrum for me as I have not met too many university educated people that were very very hard over on the religious front.



Well, guess you just aren't meeting the right people. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:44 am
 


martin14 martin14:
Gunnair Gunnair:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
many jihadis are university educated.


True. Which certainly poses a bit of a conundrum for me as I have not met too many university educated people that were very very hard over on the religious front.



Well, guess you just aren't meeting the right people. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:51 am
 


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Jihadis are as lot different than most of these home-grown Islaimsts movements, like the Taliban ad these Bokos, or whatever they're called. These are not educated people. Most of them can't read, and simply been told by manipulative people what is in the Koran, mostly to suit the manipulators. To these manipulators, education is teh biggest threat. If people can read, they will realize they've been lied to. They will be unable to control the next generation.


I disagree. If people can read then they'll find that what is in the koran is exactly what they were told was in the koran.

The education that the clerics fear is that their followers will learn that Jews do not eat babies, that Christians are not cannibals, that Hindus do not worship demons, and that not all Westerners are godless heretics (granted; some are).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:56 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
I have not met too many university educated people that were very very hard over on the religious front.


Just because you are not aware of such people does not mean that you haven't actually met any and it also does not mean they do not exist.

When I'm in Canada I doubt that too many people are aware of much of anything about me. Yet that's no reason for them to conclude that they've never met anyone like me. :idea:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:00 am
 


godless heretic......isn't that an oxymoron?? You have to believe in a god to be considered a heretic by others who believe in the same god in a different way....like those idol worshipping Marian heretics in Rome.....sorry, as a former Presbyterian, I can't just write Roman Catholic and leave it at that :lol:


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Gunnair Gunnair:
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many jihadis are university educated.


True. Which certainly poses a bit of a conundrum for me as I have not met too many university educated people that were very very hard over on the religious front.


Higher education correlates with less religion. I know Jehovah Witnesses frown on secondary education becasue they consider it "worldly."


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Plenty of Jesuits have degrees in the hard sciences as well as the liberal arts....one of the reasons they've had run ins with the Church hierarchy over the religious dogma. Religious authorities have always favoured education.....it's just what is studied that is proscribed. Engineering in general and architectural engineering specifically were important because they applied those to building those magnificent edifices of stone and glass.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Gunnair Gunnair:
I have not met too many university educated people that were very very hard over on the religious front.


Just because you are not aware of such people does not mean that you haven't actually met any and it also does not mean they do not exist.

When I'm in Canada I doubt that too many people are aware of much of anything about me. Yet that's no reason for them to conclude that they've never met anyone like me. :idea:


Possibly. I recall that most of the hard over religious types I've met were not basking in tons of post secondary education, however. And I'm not talking moderate but highly religious either. My in laws are well educated but very devout Catholics as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:33 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
Anyway, this all leads to the question, that I posed: What is the percentage of bad guys in a group that should result in labeling the whole of the group?

These discussions are so much more fun when we throw in reasonable stats and questions. It gets all exciting.


Doesn't it though?

It doesn't actually take stats though, to show the broad-based influence of radical Islam. You can see it outside your door.

The American-Canadian border used to be open. Now you need a passport. Radical Islam. If you go to an American airport they're skin-frisking children and little old ladies. Radical Islam.

The actual size of the membership of radical Islam matters less than it's effect, but size does matter, and ultimately the size that matters comes with the actual size of Islam within a community, not just radical Islam. I'll show you why.

It's like this. In my personal locality there aren't many Muslims. We all get along great from my POV. In York on the outskirts of Toronto there is a higher percentage of Muslim to Infidel. So we start hearing stories like the story of 'Little Ricky', the Muslim police man representing a larger organization who intimidated a Rabbi into disallowing anti-Jihad speakers at his temple, or stories of the Muslim groups at the nearby University who won't allow speakers offering say the Israeli viewpoint of the Palestinian situation.

In Dearborn Michigan, the percentage of the Muslim population is higher still, so if you can go on YouTube and find vids of Christian street preachers getting pelted by bottles. The police jailed the preachers for preaching.

In Europe there is a larger general percentage of Islam to infidel, although the percentage of radical Islam remains the same. Nevertheless now you have populations intimidated out of older areas, intimidation of women by sex crimes the government is reluctant to deal with for fears of being called racist, the government yields to far left and Islamic pressure groups by pressuring the general population for committing thought or speech crimes against Islam. England is no longer England. It's not the general Muslim population that's responsible for all this. It's the radicals, and the radicals pretending to be moderates, but their actual percentage of population is still very small, even in Europe. Still its influence is increased by an increase of the general Muslim population.

Again how many actual Nazis did it take to take over Germany? Then what happened?

Here's the thing though, if you don't recognize there's a problem, you can't deal with it. Take the EDL in Britain for example. They're a grassroots organization of the British common man who feel they've been pushed too far by the effects of a radical ideology that is incrementally taking over its country and neighborhoods to their detriment. If you actually listen to what they're actually saying, they're not unreasonable. The media calls bigot, but if you actually listen, they're not actually saying anything racist. You're not allowed to listen to them though. You get screamed down as a bigot if you listen to Tommy Robinson, and say, "Hey, that guy kind of makes sense." The bottle throwing anarchists who oppose the EDL then become the media heroes. Up is down, down is up, and Sharia is on its way in Britain. All because you can't say 'Muslim and problem' in the same sentence.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:31 pm
 


Public_Domain Public_Domain:
That was very good dd, glad you shared it

Also, I'd kill to be a part of such kind of debate teams


No wonder you enjoyed it. His whole presentation was straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

Given that the very first sentence of the book is;

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What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be


...then it is of no surprise that a radical islamic would embrace such tactics as immediately ridiculing his opponent instead of trying to discredit her argument.

I've seen it all before and Mr. Hasan is not doing anything new.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:47 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Given that the very first sentence of the book is;

$1:
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be


...then it is of no surprise that a radical islamic would embrace such tactics as immediately ridiculing his opponent instead of trying to discredit her argument.

I've seen it all before and Mr. Hasan is not doing anything new.

Doesn't everyone want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be?
Whether it be in their own little world or outside the box, everyone does. You do too, right Bart?


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