[DerbyX]

I found this footage while looking for cool video sites.

The first link is here: Link Deleted

The footage is here: Link Deleted

Warning. This footage is very very graphic. People are killed on camera including the shooters commiting suicide.

In addition it is inexplicably hosted on a porn site???

[ShepherdsDog]

found surfing the porn sites???

[Arctic_Menace]

Why????

[DerbyX]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

found surfing the porn sites???

No. I found killing time through another web site.

[DerbyX]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

Why????

Why did they do it?

[Arctic_Menace]

No...Why post this????

[DerbyX]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

No...Why post this????

Same reason you came here to look at it.

[FuBaR]

I agree, your not posting any questions to stir debate or anything. Your just trying to stir some shit and get a fight going. Locked.

[Regina]

After a little debate and the intentions of the thread made clear, I'll reopen the topic and watch it closely.

[ShepherdsDog]

Reason: being bullied

Excuse: There isn't one

[Thematic-Device]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Reason: being bullied

I'd say insanity...

And I will smack the first person to say Doom.

[MrMagicMan]

Reason: poor parents and weak minds.

Those two were not the first kids to be bullied in the history of high school yet they chose to kill. Worthless.

[ShepherdsDog]

In their twisted minds they seemed to think that being bullied justified their reaction. Cpould their murderous rampage have been avoided or would they have found some other reason to go on a killing spree? I don't know for sure, but likely they would have made headlines later in life.

[BartSimpson]

The two boys involved at Columbine were actually just the standouts in a phenomenon that involved outcast children striking back against their tormentors.

I recall the media having their usual psychobabble guests talking about this problem and they correctly identified the children perpetrating these crimes as being provoked by unceasing bullying from their peers *and* even in some cases the bullying was also coming from the teachers at their schools.

What would you think the solution would be?

1) Put an end to the bullying of students in the schools with severe penalties against those found persecuting a peer and then to either train or dismiss faculty who supported by action or inaction the same bullying?

2) Find the kids who are victims of such extreme and illegal behavior and lock them up to prevent them from striking back at their tormentors?


If you chose #2 then I must assume that you're some bastard with a Ph.D. in child psychology who works for a school district.

Because #2 was the solution being proffered in the media.

Now I'm not saying that I support what these kids did, not at all. But I can say that I understand.

They were ostracized, bullied, and then victimized again by the faculty members whom the taxpayers entrust to protect their children for eight hours a day, five days a week. They had no where to turn and that creates desperation.

Unlike the thousands of children every year who simply kill themselves rather than face another day of school, Klebold and Harris fought back.

Believe it or not, they weren't the first nor were they the last to do such a thing.

Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts.

Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 28, 1999
Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates

Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

Dec. 7, 1999
Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.

March 2000
Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.

May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

April 29, 2002
Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.

April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.

March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

All of these events were perpetrated by current or recent students of their schools and in all of these events the perpetrator was later identified as having sought help from faculty with peer bullying at one point or another.

And in every case the student was rebuked for having sought help.

If you are a weird kid in a public school then you can anticipate that you are on your own should one of the "cool" kids or a cabal of the cool kids decide to torment you for their personal gratification.

Speaking for myself, in 1997 my wife and I had more or less adopted a young lady from our church who was very shy but really a sweet kid from a broken home. She was having issues at her high school and was one day suspended from school because three other girls had attacked her.

Only when I brought legal action against the school district and the individual and several faculty members for malfeasance (which I could hold them personally accountable for) was the matter addressed.

One of the girls who attacked our young friend had a boyfriend who came to my house to threaten us. He still walks funny, last I checked.

So where is my young friend now?

She is 26 and a successful special effects makeup artist in Los Angeles.

But way back when she was on the verge of suicide.

And the school that should've been a sanctuary for her from the troubles in her life was worse itself then all of the hell she faced at home.

And some fucktard would've identified her as marginalized and then victimized her yet again to protect the SOB's who were making her life hell.

Why we in this world cavalierly allow our children to be submitted to physical and psychological tortures in the public schools that we won't allow murderous terrorists to be submitted to in Gitmo and Abu Gharaib escapes reason.

[2Cdo]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The two boys involved at Columbine were actually just the standouts in a phenomenon that involved outcast children striking back against their tormentors.

I recall the media having their usual psychobabble guests talking about this problem and they correctly identified the children perpetrating these crimes as being provoked by unceasing bullying from their peers *and* even in some cases the bullying was also coming from the teachers at their schools.

What would you think the solution would be?

1) Put an end to the bullying of students in the schools with severe penalties against those found persecuting a peer and then to either train or dismiss faculty who supported by action or inaction the same bullying?

2) Find the kids who are victims of such extreme and illegal behavior and lock them up to prevent them from striking back at their tormentors?


If you chose #2 then I must assume that you're some bastard with a Ph.D. in child psychology who works for a school district.

Because #2 was the solution being proffered in the media.

Now I'm not saying that I support what these kids did, not at all. But I can say that I understand.

They were ostracized, bullied, and then victimized again by the faculty members whom the taxpayers entrust to protect their children for eight hours a day, five days a week. They had no where to turn and that creates desperation.

Unlike the thousands of children every year who simply kill themselves rather than face another day of school, Klebold and Harris fought back.

Believe it or not, they weren't the first nor were they the last to do such a thing.

Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts.

Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 28, 1999
Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates

Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

Dec. 7, 1999
Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.

March 2000
Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.

May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

April 29, 2002
Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.

April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.

March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

All of these events were perpetrated by current or recent students of their schools and in all of these events the perpetrator was later identified as having sought help from faculty with peer bullying at one point or another.

And in every case the student was rebuked for having sought help.

If you are a weird kid in a public school then you can anticipate that you are on your own should one of the "cool" kids or a cabal of the cool kids decide to torment you for their personal gratification.

Speaking for myself, in 1997 my wife and I had more or less adopted a young lady from our church who was very shy but really a sweet kid from a broken home. She was having issues at her high school and was one day suspended from school because three other girls had attacked her.

Only when I brought legal action against the school district and the individual and several faculty members for malfeasance (which I could hold them personally accountable for) was the matter addressed.

One of the girls who attacked our young friend had a boyfriend who came to my house to threaten us. He still walks funny, last I checked.

So where is my young friend now?

She is 26 and a successful special effects makeup artist in Los Angeles.

But way back when she was on the verge of suicide.

And the school that should've been a sanctuary for her from the troubles in her life was worse itself then all of the hell she faced at home.

And some fucktard would've identified her as marginalized and then victimized her yet again to protect the SOB's who were making her life hell.

Why we in this world cavalierly allow our children to be submitted to physical and psychological tortures in the public schools that we won't allow murderous terrorists to be submitted to in Gitmo and Abu Gharaib escapes reason.

Excellently said Bart!