[RUEZ]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

How about rebranding pagan midwinter celebrations as Christmas?

[Blue_Nose]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

Creationism has magically become "Intelligent Design", for one... same shit in a different bag.

[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

How about rebranding pagan midwinter celebrations as Christmas?

I thought Christmas was the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ?

[Robair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I thought Christmas was the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ?

It is. A long time ago somebody moved the date, that's what Blue was refering too...

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

How about rebranding pagan midwinter celebrations as Christmas?

I thought Christmas was the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ?

That's kind of the idea, yea. Take a celebration already practiced by those you're trying to convert, and just tell them it's for something else. Don't make them stop celebrating when they have been for decades, just redirect them. The actual date of Christ's birth is unknown, and even the year is probably wrong by a couple of years.

[Blue_Nose]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Religion, on the other hand, has stubbornly maintained the same conclusions for centuries, but simply mix and match the details of their premises when they feel like it.

What's been mixed and matched?

How about rebranding pagan midwinter celebrations as Christmas?

I thought Christmas was the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ?

Horus, Egyptian Sun God, was born of a virgin on December 25th and placed in a manger.

Sound familiar? Guess which one came first.

EDIT: hell, just watch this one... it's absolutely laughable:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQ-MYMAiE[/youtube]

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Jesus vs Horus
1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god.
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels.
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where his eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later.
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

[Tricks]

I thought Ra was the Egyptian sun god.... Guess it doesn't really matter though.

[Blue_Nose]

Horus is also referred to as a "Sky God", too. They combined to form some sort of double-God to control the sun.... or something.

[Freakinoldguy]

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AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Since the question came up, I took it upon myself to see if there were any other than Christian religous based radio stations in Canada. Well I couldn't find any, unlike London England. But anyway, back to the topic at hand. In my travels I found the CRTC Public Notice that refers to this topic. So for anyone who's interested here's a link that may clarify some positions on the subject.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notic ... B93-78.HTM

[westmanguy]

Imagine.

Hardened hearts, cold people, denying presence to their creator, who deny deny deny to their death, and then they come before God on their judgment day.

I feel sorry for them. They can live their whole human life denying the reality of God, and come death the truth will be thrust upon them.

To imagine what it would be like to deny a God, and find out their was one at your death...the thoughts, what went through your head, your pain and regret.

I fear not death, I sympathizes for the death of the deniers for the unimaginable thought process at such a realization, and knowing the realization came too late.

I have come too no longer feel angered by atheists but to pity them.

Pity their cold heardened hearts, and knowing what they will one day have to realize - the hard way.

[Brenda]

First West, if you want us Atheist to respect your believe, you might wanna try and respect our non-believe.

I absolutely object to your lack of respect. Not very Christian too.

So, since I don't think there will be anything after death, except for... nothing, I can't fear that. My counterquestion for you will be:

What if you are dying, all in peace, because now you will see your (might sound disrespectfull, but is not meant that way) hero, and there is none? What will you do? When you find out there is NOTHING after death?

[icekarma2752]

i guess you can always ask this question...whats worse? living your life without pleasing god and finding out he does exist when you die...or living your life pleasing him..dying without him existing?...i'll take the high road out and go for option 2

[westmanguy]

A few things here, Brenda, if their is not God (which in my life I know is not true), I will not have the ability to have thought process to realize this or be devestated by it at death.

But if their is a God, you will have the thought process still their to realize you were wrong and be devastated by it.

Now icekarma

Pascal's Wager which is very smart.

Its better to believe in a God, and either go to Heaven, or their be no God but you lived your life with meaning and fufillment anyways.

than denying God, and either having Hell or nothing.

I'll go with option 1.

[TattoodGirl]

Lets see....If an atheist lives their life treating others with respect, helping those that need it the most, treating people with dignity, and accepting everyone, regardless of differences, wouldnt you think (if your God is the same one other Christians say is all forgiving) that those people who lived a life from the heart would be forgiven for not believing and let into heaven?