[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Scape Scape:

Is J.K. Rowling transphobic? Let’s let her speak for herself.

I did a search on JK as well. This was the 1st result.

That was my first result as well. That's where I found out that her first transgression was "liking a tweet." I read the rest, and I understand why you can take umbrage with her point of view, but the sheer viciousness of the response, this desire people have to destroy her, is what I have a problem with.

I'm really surprised that the writer of the Vox article never picked up on the fact that the response to JK's transgressions were completely out of line by any reasonable measure.

Like Bud Light sticking a trans person in a marketing campaign. The result of the yahoos: we will make you suffer the torments of Hell forever.

Keep in mind, Zippy, that you're dealing with people who regard even the most minor dissent you might have from their hivemind beliefs means that with absolutely zero doubt that you too are a bigot. There are no permanent values involved. The only thing of permanence is the requirement to adapt instantly to the vogue of the moment, even if it means jettisoning all actual liberal beliefs and any proven bona fides from past allegiances or actions. The lifelong liberals who can't or won't adapt are the primary victims of the never-ending adaptation. The conservatives don't care what the leftists think about them and are therefore immune from the wrath of the zealots. But it's the true liberals who proved their true hears in the past who end up getting the short walk up the wooden stairs to the figurative guillotine if they betray those on the leading edge by calling them out on their intolerant & hateful bullshit routine.

We're now in the performative condemnation & purging stage of the current revolution. These things, that are driven by maniacs, always end up in that direction. The only thing that makes this odious era of sheer nonsense different from the others is that the punishment segment shows no sign of having exhausted itself. I blame social media for that because the reward of likes & follows gives a rush so intoxicating for the self-righteous accusers that they have no reason to stop being like this. It's too much fun for them, getting to play social crusader, when the feedback loop to and from their cronies feels so positive for them.

Hence what happened to Rowling. Despite being a lifelong liberal, and a feminist, she ran afoul of the guardians of the ever-changing ever-morphing ever-swirling dogma. And instead of meekly submitting and issuing the expected groveling apology she stood her ground against what she (correctly) regards as sheer insanity. Thus she must be destroyed. No exceptions for past deeds will be granted and no mercy will be shown. And if one of the death threats to her becomes a reality some day the group comment will certainly be that she deserved it for her crimes.

These are the minds sane people are dealing with these days. We really shouldn't pretend otherwise, and we should never underestimate the amount of true malevolence & true malice that is providing the high-octane fuel for this sort of revolution. Just like their predecessors from previous movements that came before them, today's cadres are not fucking around.

[fifeboy]

Strutz Strutz:

I'm getting really f*cking tired of hearing that f*cking word.

I'll lend you two "u."

Don't mention it!

[Zipperfish]

Scape Scape:

Bingo. As the vox article chronicled she is transmitting in the open and it is all public record. No moral ambiguity she can hide behind here, she just a bigot that refuses to accept others that do not conform to her ideas. The only difference is this used to be something that could be gotten away with plausible deniability and not everyone with a phone could fact check. Now, not so much and Pandora's box is never going to be sealed back up.

Call her what you like, all of the posts I've seen from her were reasoned, and stated support for trans while maintaining that biological women need safe spaces. You may see that as bigoted and that's fair. Regardless, I don't think she should be subject to threats, doxxing, vitriol etc etc.

Not every expression of opinion concerning identity politics is tantamount to the Holocaust. A sense of perspective would be nice. These people they call woke don't have it.

And really, how many times do your opinion have to be dismissed as that of someone cis, straight, white or male before you,re not really interested in carrying on a discussion with them.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Back in the 50's and 60's, the patriarchy thought that a boy born with a tiny penis should just be surgically altered into a pseudo-woman. They thought the embarrassment would be too much, so just let them live as a woman. That causes all sorts of health issues further in the future.

But there are some people who would not consider these people a woman, or when surgically returned, consider them a man. But if you feel for the situation those people are in, and show deference to their situation they are in through no fault of their own, you get labelled as 'woke'. Like it's a bad thing.

Tragic. By the same token if you say that trans women that went through puberty as males may have an advantage in elite women's sport and maybe we should look into that, you get piled on with all kinds of venom and vituperation by woke people.

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Call her what you like, all of the posts I've seen from her were reasoned, and stated support for trans while maintaining that biological women need safe spaces. You may see that as bigoted and that's fair. Regardless, I don't think she should be subject to threats, doxxing, vitriol etc etc.

Not every expression of opinion concerning identity politics is tantamount to the Holocaust. A sense of perspective would be nice. These people they call woke don't have it.

And really, how many times do your opinion have to be dismissed as that of someone cis, straight, white or male before you,re not really interested in carrying on a discussion with them.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

That was my first result as well. That's where I found out that her first transgression was "liking a tweet." I read the rest, and I understand why you can take umbrage with her point of view, but the sheer viciousness of the response, this desire people have to destroy her, is what I have a problem with.

I'm really surprised that the writer of the Vox article never picked up on the fact that the response to JK's transgressions were completely out of line by any reasonable measure.

Like Bud Light sticking a trans person in a marketing campaign. The result of the yahoos: we will make you suffer the torments of Hell forever.

Keep in mind, Zippy, that you're dealing with people who regard even the most minor dissent you might have from their hivemind beliefs means that with absolutely zero doubt that you too are a bigot. There are no permanent values involved. The only thing of permanence is the requirement to adapt instantly to the vogue of the moment, even if it means jettisoning all actual liberal beliefs and any proven bona fides from past allegiances or actions. The lifelong liberals who can't or won't adapt are the primary victims of the never-ending adaptation. The conservatives don't care what the leftists think about them and are therefore immune from the wrath of the zealots. But it's the true liberals who proved their true hears in the past who end up getting the short walk up the wooden stairs to the figurative guillotine if they betray those on the leading edge by calling them out on their intolerant & hateful bullshit routine.

We're now in the performative condemnation & purging stage of the current revolution. These things, that are driven by maniacs, always end up in that direction. The only thing that makes this odious era of sheer nonsense different from the others is that the punishment segment shows no sign of having exhausted itself. I blame social media for that because the reward of likes & follows gives a rush so intoxicating for the self-righteous accusers that they have no reason to stop being like this. It's too much fun for them, getting to play social crusader, when the feedback loop to and from their cronies feels so positive for them.

Hence what happened to Rowling. Despite being a lifelong liberal, and a feminist, she ran afoul of the guardians of the ever-changing ever-morphing ever-swirling dogma. And instead of meekly submitting and issuing the expected groveling apology she stood her ground against what she (correctly) regards as sheer insanity. Thus she must be destroyed. No exceptions for past deeds will be granted and no mercy will be shown. And if one of the death threats to her becomes a reality some day the group comment will certainly be that she deserved it for her crimes.

These are the minds sane people are dealing with these days. We really shouldn't pretend otherwise, and we should never underestimate the amount of true malevolence & true malice that is providing the high-octane fuel for this sort of revolution. Just like their predecessors from previous movements that came before them, today's cadres are not fucking around.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess that's what I am, a redundant old liberal. Probably why I like Biden. Unions are good, tax the rich, build things and create jobs, respect human rights. And sex drugs and rock n roll, which is totally out with the new liberals, lol.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Keep in mind, Zippy, that you're dealing with people who regard even the most minor dissent you might have from their hivemind beliefs means that with absolutely zero doubt that you too are a bigot. There are no permanent values involved. The only thing of permanence is the requirement to adapt instantly to the vogue of the moment, even if it means jettisoning all actual liberal beliefs and any proven bona fides from past allegiances or actions. The lifelong liberals who can't or won't adapt are the primary victims of the never-ending adaptation. The conservatives don't care what the leftists think about them and are therefore immune from the wrath of the zealots. But it's the true liberals who proved their true hears in the past who end up getting the short walk up the wooden stairs to the figurative guillotine if they betray those on the leading edge by calling them out on their intolerant & hateful bullshit routine.

We're now in the performative condemnation & purging stage of the current revolution. These things, that are driven by maniacs, always end up in that direction. The only thing that makes this odious era of sheer nonsense different from the others is that the punishment segment shows no sign of having exhausted itself. I blame social media for that because the reward of likes & follows gives a rush so intoxicating for the self-righteous accusers that they have no reason to stop being like this. It's too much fun for them, getting to play social crusader, when the feedback loop to and from their cronies feels so positive for them.

Hence what happened to Rowling. Despite being a lifelong liberal, and a feminist, she ran afoul of the guardians of the ever-changing ever-morphing ever-swirling dogma. And instead of meekly submitting and issuing the expected groveling apology she stood her ground against what she (correctly) regards as sheer insanity. Thus she must be destroyed. No exceptions for past deeds will be granted and no mercy will be shown. And if one of the death threats to her becomes a reality some day the group comment will certainly be that she deserved it for her crimes.

These are the minds sane people are dealing with these days. We really shouldn't pretend otherwise, and we should never underestimate the amount of true malevolence & true malice that is providing the high-octane fuel for this sort of revolution. Just like their predecessors from previous movements that came before them, today's cadres are not fucking around.

Yeah, I guess that's what I am, a redundant old liberal. Probably why I like Biden. Unions are good, tax the rich, build things and create jobs, respect human rights. And sex drugs and rock n roll, which is totally out with the new liberals, lol.

[Scape]

Another Tate clone. This is what real grooming looks like.

[Scape]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And really, how many times do your opinion have to be dismissed as that of someone cis, straight, white or male before you,re not really interested in carrying on a discussion with them.

Quick question, on the trans side who would you say is their answer to Andrew Tate? JK give these hate filled bigots free reign while lambasting the people who just want to live their own lives. She is a safe harbor that normalizes hate and her platform amplifies it just like Fox used Tucker.

Call this shit out.

[Zipperfish]

Scape Scape:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And really, how many times do your opinion have to be dismissed as that of someone cis, straight, white or male before you,re not really interested in carrying on a discussion with them.

Quick question, on the trans side who would you say is their answer to Andrew Tate? JK give these hate filled bigots free reign while lambasting the people who just want to live their own lives. She is a safe harbor that normalizes hate and her platform amplifies it just like Fox used Tucker.

Call this shit out.

I'm not sure I completely understand your question? Who is the transgender equivalent of Andrew Tate? I'm not sure.

See now I'm in a bind. The convoy crowd in my small ranching community will be all out for the million person march to save the children or whatever on September 20. It's an unholy mix of the Muslims, the Rebel News crowd and the convoyers.

I've been asked by a couple of friends to attend a counter-protest. I really don't have a lot of time for religious bigots and conspiracy theorists. But the problem is that I actually agree that schools should notify parents of children under 16 when they indicate at school that they want to transition. Actually, it appears most Canadians agree with that.

Still haven't made up my mind on that one.

[Scape]

I understand and sympathize with your position. Let's put it another way. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. Fair?

I see a whole new crowd of young kids looking for someone or something to look up to and they are attracted to the same tropes since we were in caves. They don't care about what is right they care about the vibe. That type of thinking allowed to proceed unchecked will have kids throwing themselves off cliffs in droves. Somehow I don't see Jim Sterling leading a protest to overthrow democracy for trans rights but I sure as hell see Trump and his hordes doing so and the convoy movement here in Canada is an echo of that same movement. So which is the real threat here? Trans story time or Bigots like Bill Maher on major platforms giving the green light to thugs and grift merchants like Andrew Tate and Milo Yiannopoulos?

[Scape]

^^ This is the path where we are heading here if we do not question the narrative.

[Scape]

Brand is a groomer, why am I not shocked?

[DrCaleb]

Because you've listened to his conspiracy clap trap?

[xerxes]

$1:

Brand is a groomer, why am I not shocked?

Because he's all but admitted it for years now.