[Brenda]

Would be nice if there would be a little competition in the cellphone industry too...

[Public_Domain]

[herbie]

I'm not getting my money's worth, I'm paying $50 a month and haver a bandwidth cap!
WWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
You want 10Mb service with no cap? Then shell out over $2000 a month.
Or you can take one of my heavily subsidized by your tax dollar feeds with a 250GB cap and $5 a Gig over. Only $600 a month.

You don't have a fucking clue.

[OldChum]

What bothers me is that they have faster speeds but they charge more for them , but doe,s it cost them more NO NO NO . This our free loading Cable system

[Proculation]

herbie herbie:

I'm not getting my money's worth, I'm paying $50 a month and haver a bandwidth cap!
WWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
You want 10Mb service with no cap? Then shell out over $2000 a month.
Or you can take one of my heavily subsidized by your tax dollar feeds with a 250GB cap and $5 a Gig over. Only $600 a month.

You don't have a fucking clue.

????

[commanderkai]

herbie herbie:

I'm not getting my money's worth, I'm paying $50 a month and haver a bandwidth cap!
WWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
You want 10Mb service with no cap? Then shell out over $2000 a month.
Or you can take one of my heavily subsidized by your tax dollar feeds with a 250GB cap and $5 a Gig over. Only $600 a month.

You don't have a fucking clue.

So I can't complain that I can pay that same amount, have the same speed, and yet...no bandwidth limit in the United States?

Oh God, the horror. I think you missed the point.

[OldChum]

So have I don't feel bad

[DrCaleb]

Yogi Yogi:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Patish Patish:

I think that one always can find the right way.
Buy what you need not what they want to sell you.
And stay positive.

Nice thoughts, but not always possible. Where I live, there is one choice for high speed. I could get Sat. Internet, but the latency is killer. I work from home, so Sat isn't an option. Like Bren alludes to, there are also differences in geography too.

So, I buy what is available. Luckily, there are no caps. I run BitTorrent 24/7/365 and have never had an extra charge. But I also limit it voluntarily (because it also kills latency).

Latency???

As mentioned, I receive internet via satellite, -when I lived in your 'area' I was using Telus hi-speed- and in all aspects but 'tech support' there is no difference. This is not dial-up! ['High speed, no latency here!

Currently our provider is out of Vegreville, but the contract has been awarde to MCS in St. Paul, Ab. The county tells me that quality on all fronts will be much improved, and price will not increase. Looking forward to that!

Speed and Latency are different things. Latency is the time data takes to travel a given route, from the time a request its made to when it is received. eg: your 'ping' time. (for those out there that don't know)

With my job, it's very important for me to have a low latency connection. It doesn't have to be 5ms, but 400ms round trip to my secured connection site is pushing it. Beyond that, and my VPN connections to work will dump. I've had some colleagues try things like satellite and that Rogers stick, and they experienced just brutally slow connections. So bad they went back to dial up till they could get cable or DSL hooked back up.

The 'speed' might be high, but the latency is crap.

[Yogi]

I send emails with attatchments to people whom I am doing business with, while we are talking on the phone, and the time it takes for them/me to receive is very quick. Most times less than 1 min.

[Bacardi4206]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Bandwidth charges. I really don't get it, unless this is another example of "Our shit is pricier than America's because we just fucking hate you all, and you can't do anything about it." In the US, there is no such thing as bandwidth usage. Just don't leave Limewire running or the RIAA will come knocking on your door asking for a pound of flesh. Here...here? $2 per gigabyte.

Now, does anybody, anybody at all, think this is a good idea? Anybody? Outside of Internet providers, of course, who love to rip off their customers, and once again, we can't do shit about it. What's the point of even providing Netflix/Impulse/Steam/blah blah blah services if you download Company of Heroes, and then realize you went over your 30 gig limit. Sigh.

Yes, I just paid an extra 30 dollars for going over their fucking limit. And yes, I'm fucking pissed off. But since I already went over that limit, I'm taking them for everything I can. Cities XL, Company of Heroes, Tropico 3, so on so forth coming out this month? Awesome. Download them all.

Let me guess, you got rogers? The problem with Canadian Internet providers is that they are majority owned by rogers. Rogers was smart and gobbled up majority of the competition for both Canadian cable providers and internet providers. As a result they can pretty much charge whatever they like because it's usually competition prices that lower companies prices down. One companies sells a product for $100 bucks and the competition sells for $95 to attract customers on being lower priced and than the company changes from $100 to $90 to out due the competition so there customers won't switch.

Rogers doesn't have that competition. They keep buying out everybody. The only other company you can choose is Bell but you pretty much know how much they suck and are no different than rogers. Unti'll a good quality cable/internet provider comes around offering low prices for everybody to switch too. We got to stick with rogers and there prices.

[herbie]

The problem with Canadian ISPs is they have BUY their pipes from the OLD BOYS and they are data circuits. They aren't fully deregulated.
So if they have to pay for bandwidth, so do you.
The Yanks still have hundreds of startups that are giving away the farm to get customers and if they are, the main players are too to keep their customer base.
Here they almost all gave away the farm and went bye-bye. Either failed or got gobbled up (and that's what's going on in the USA too).
You don't GET unlimited bandwidth usage from anyone. Telus, Bell and Shaw will eventually call you on your usage and if you upgrade to their most expensive (server) package, they'll leave you alone. And you most certainly don't get unrestricted bandwidth usage from a goddam satellite provider. That's the most expensive way to get bandwidth there is! You get satellite internet when there's no fucking alternative, and that's the only reason.
Same goes for Rocketsticks and cell-based shit. If you're a sales guy and travel and you write it off, it's a valuable asset. If you wanna watch streaming movies on your iPhone and shell out $100 a month you're a moron.
Home users have been piggybacking on the cash cow that is business service since day one, for landline phones, long distance and Internet. Any idea how many offices and schools try to piggyback 30-100 users on ONE DSL pipe? And tie up lines whining that their Net is slow?
I'm in the business, ppl. You know how many whiners I get about speed/usage limits/slowdowns I get from shitheads who are behind in their $30 a month payments and costing me $150-$500 a month for their use? Lots.
How many managers braying how they got better service form Shaw in their Toronto apartment and are so thick they can't look out the window and realize they're now 500 miles in the middle of the fucking bush and should be lucky they're not on dialup? That think their shit don't stink but they can't even drag and fucking drop or cut and fucking paste or read the fucking email header and Google why their fucking e-mail bounced?
Or how many times we roll a truck and find the shithead's got 20 open LimeWire upload ports running and so do 4 kids on the same router and he's so stupid he insists that that should still work full speed? Or think Speedtest.net in Vancouver is an indication of ONLY his segment of the line?
Fer fuck's sakes I'd be 100% on your side if they rolled out fiber to every street corner in every small town in the country and stopped ALL usage billing for EVERYONE including the ISPs. But that isn't gonna happen when the Carrier Boardrooms OWN the goddam Tories and Liberals lock stock and barrel.
Until then enjoy the ride, cuz you are gonna see usage charges on everything, filtering, and multi-tiered services unless things change big time. Google pages will load quick because they're a billion dollar customer but CKA will crawl. Hosting costs will skyrocket. You'll pay $1.00 to get an episode of Lost and pay again for downloading it. You'll see music and movie downloaders busted, just like in the US too.
Get the point? You want free enterprise, you live with the results. If it costs us ISPs, the cost is gonna get passed on to you. If there's stockholders they're gonna want ISPs to charge for everything they can. Sometimes you'll get a Blue Light Special when one tries to steal away subscribers, but those don't determine the market price, and they don't go on forever!

[Praxius]

I have a service that has something like a 30gigs a month system where you get charged a small amount for anything additional after that..... of course I never exceeded 30gigs a month yet, nor can I see me ever doing that unless I constantly downloaded nothing but 6gig video games or something.

Back when I was on dial-up in the 90's we had a fee per download usage, but other then that, it's not that much of a big deal imo.

[sandorski]

If y'all really wanna be pissed, don't compare US/Canada Internet. Compare Canada vs Japan or South Korea. Same principles apply, Economies of Scale, Distances, Urbanization.

[Scipio]

Japanese internet sucks. What are you talking about? I was relieved when I left that country just so I could have a decent internet connection again.

[Tman1]

How does Japan come into this? Your hatred of Japan is apparent.