[Zipperfish]

Thiizic Thiizic:

I want to be a psychologist, so yes I do believe I will be able to help people with mental issues.

You might want to reconsider your career path. I don't think it's your calling.

[xerxes]

Yeah. About as good as one as R. Lee Ermey...

[OnTheIce]

Unsound Unsound:

Of course it's a free speech argument. Anytime someone says something unpopular and gets shit all over by the everyone, it's a free speech thing. Of course, free speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want and not suffer any conssequences for it. Everyone else is just as free to call the OP a "shitpump" as he was to say Amanda Todd was weak and didn't deserve to live. I'm not disagreeing with any of that.

All I've tried to do is see things from the point of views of the one's who are being shit on by all of you. Showing a little empathy. Y'know, the kind of thing that might have saved Amanda's life. As opposed to the gang trolling y'all seem to enjoy doing so much lately.

But that's just my opinion. You may all proceed to jump all over me now.

While I agree with you that this place has turned into a dumping ground with a select few people shitting on anyone and anything they don't like, this is an exceptional case.

Free speech goes both ways. While the OP is entitled to share his opinion, we are just as entitled to share our disgust with him and his comments.

[Unsound]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

While I agree with you that this place has turned into a dumping ground with a select few people shitting on anyone and anything they don't like, this is an exceptional case.

Free speech goes both ways. While the OP is entitled to share his opinion, we are just as entitled to share our disgust with him and his comments.

Actually, I'm not even so much trying to defend the OP, although I do think there are a whole lot of better ways to deal with a post like his. It was more everyone jumping on the next guy who was trying to defend the OP ,just a little, that gets to me.

As well, I was originally trying to stay out of this thread because i do, in fact, agree with a lot of what's been said about the original post. The problem is that i've gotten so annoyed with this whole high school clique thing that's been getting worse and worse lately that I just waded in despite my reservations.

While you're abslolutely right that just as the OP has a right to say what he said so does everyone else, I would like to think CKA is better than that. Is it really neccesary for 100 people to jump on the guy and start calling him names? Aren't we smarter than that around here? Isn't it possible him saying she was weak could be rebutted with a few facts about depression and how it's an illness that can't be cured just by "toughening up"? If people are only interested in running up 12 pages of "youre a shitstain" type posts, i feel like there are better places for that. /rant

[andyt]

[Brenda]

He WAS told that. He still said he thinks she was weak, and he has not taken his "she did not deserve to live comment" back.

I just find it curious that people who are calling him out are told to be bullies, while people who consider depression a "weakness" (yet want to become a psychiatrist ) are apparently no big deal. THOSE are the people who are making it hard for people with mental illness to "come out".

When you call in sick with the flu, you get "feel better!!", yet when you call in sick because getting out of bed is too hard because of your depression, you get "toughen up"...

[Jonny_C]

from me too.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

He WAS told that. He still said he thinks she was weak, and he has not taken his "she did not deserve to live comment" back.

That doesn't negate Unsound's point in any way.

Hate to see the guy become a shrink tho, with his attitude. Doubt he'll make it. Maybe further education and experience will help.

I learned about a psychologist who if a patient said s/he was suicidal, would say good idea, let's plan out how you're going to do it. It's called a paradoxical intervention, but you'd better really know what you're doing to try something like that.

If you're really trying to change Thiizic's mind, engaging him about his callous attitude is probably going to be more effective than just doing a cluster fuck on him, where he'll just dig in.

[raydan]

We had a self-declared shrink here a while ago that I would have never recommended to anybody.

I don't remember if he has banned or left by himself.

[Jonny_C]

Brenda Brenda:

He WAS told that. He still said he thinks she was weak, and he has not taken his "she did not deserve to live comment" back.

I think he got the message, though it looks like he was too insensitive to accept it.

No matter how reprehensible comment in the original post ("She deserved to die"), I didn't care for the overkill of all the vulgar piling on, and I especially didn't like when a couple of people were lumped in with him for mentioning free speech, even after they disavowed any sympathy for what had been written.

[raydan]

His post was more "hate speech" than "free speech".

[Unsound]

raydan raydan:

His post was more "hate speech" than "free speech".

Maybe. Certainly that's a discussion worth having. Definetly more interesting than name calling.

[andyt]

If he urged her to commit suicide, that's actionable. What he said, many people believe. If this had been a 40 y/o man, might have heard a lot more of it.

[raydan]

Unsound Unsound:

raydan raydan:

His post was more "hate speech" than "free speech".

Maybe. Certainly that's a discussion worth having. Definetly more interesting than name calling.

Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic.

In law would be another question and would probably not apply in this case.

[raydan]

...and yes, I passed the 17,000 post mark... kinda happy that #17,000 was done in the Hump thread.