[RUEZ]

fire_i fire_i:

Of course it's a no, I never saw any reason nor opportunity to do so!

And my beef? My beef is simple. You have to be utterly blind to not realize Grainfed posts these things to bash Quebec. Maybe not entirely, but in a very large part.

Let's recapitulate, from just 3 different threads.

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From collapsing bridges to the crumpling Olympic stadium, Quebec engineering and construction skills are certainly world renowned but in a South Korean sort of way

Unecessary sarcasm and ridicule, even includes a jab at South Korea for good measure

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Gee whiz, it snows a lot in Quebec doesn't it? You'd think after 400 winters (all with snow) the Quebec provincial building code would recognize that fact.

Nothing to back the claim, then what is it for?

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I reckon it's just shoddy French workmanship

Need I say a word?

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typical Quebec style graft and/or organised crime skimming off on construction materials

Starting to get the hang of it

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'We'd have done better if we were a chain of gay bars or sex clubs'

So we're gay perverts, wow what a perfectly relevant and inoffensive comment

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Quebecors (sic) are probably the most self absorbed and self centered people I've ever seen in Canada (Nflders the least IMHO)

Come on now.

And I'll simply ignore the non-obvious attacks and assume good faith.

What next? You're going to tell me I have no sense of humor, right? That seems to be the most employed method to defend bigotry.

Which you seem to condone, by the way. You check my speech, and blam you go indirectly accusing me of hypocrisy... and in the meantime, you even assume I have some kind of pact with other left-wingers or Alberta-bashers. All that without even heeding a single of my words, and questioning my reasons to feel insulted when Grainfed insulted Québécois DIRECTLY *at least* once and almost certainly many, many more times.

What am I supposed to do here, stand there and not react because some random passerby goes in to apparently defend his buddy (only apparently - I'll assume you are not, but please do understand that it's tough to control your emotional reaction when appearances piss you off), all while indirectly accusing me of doing the same without the slightest bit of evidence, even very questionable one, and decides it's okay to flame Québécois without even trying to hide it and then adding some arguable flame/troll posts for good measure?

I'll say it again, I'll bark and yell at statements I consider ridiculous. And a good 50% of Grainfed's are. I have more than adequate reason to be pissed off. Disagree at your leisure, but don't go telling me I have no beef.

Why are you even here anyway? Does it bother you that I consider FLAMES POSTS from another Right-Winger inadequate (or another Quebec basher - if the hat fits, wear it, otherwise, ignore this)? You spent time of your day to reply to what I said, so what's your problem with it? The facts are so evident you just can't possibly disregard them, so give me one good reason why my reaction should bother you at all.

I've never said you were in any pact with anyone. Don't put words in my mouth. These are mainstream news stories from mainstream media. You don't like it? Tell that to the news media. My point about Streaker is that he constantly, day after day, posts articles that are negative to the U.S., to the point of trolling. Very few people ever call him on it. What GFPB has posted pales in comparison to Streakers posts. Sometimes we just have to accept our countries or our provinces aren't perfect and it's going to be displayed out in the open.

[grainfedprairieboy]

fire_i fire_i:

What exactly is this, grainfed? You're back after an extended absence and you decided to celebrate with a round of Quebec trolling, as an alternative to Quebec bashing?

I've made my motives quite clear in other threads.

fire_i fire_i:

I'll voluntarily ignore the fact you posted an unreasonable amount of negative articles/posts in the Quebec section, all in the same day, but I simply don't take this. This was completely unecessary and genuinely offensive.

That Quebec has a larger number of establishments per capita catering to the sexual predication's of both hetero and homosexuals? Or are you offended that I personally would suggest it?

fire_i fire_i:

And heck, is this thread really relevant? It's not huge news, and the way you plug that kind of comment in it makes it seem even more ludicrous.

It's completely relevant given the reasons I've previously articulated for the thread series.

[fire_i]

$1:

I've never said you were in any pact with anyone. Don't put words in my mouth.

Don't take me for an idiot. No you didn't say that, but you implied it - and don't go saying you have been misquoted.

Let us be reminded :

RUEZ RUEZ:

You ever give this speech to Streaker?

So. Okay. Let's do as you wish and take this to the letter and only to the letter. Did I ever? No. Debate over.

That's it? Am I the only one to think something is lacking, and that nobody would post something like this just to ask this simple question? It's not impossible, but really, what are the chances? You implied something here, right - this post had a meaning, a goal, you wanted to push a point forward here.

So my guess was the most likely and obvious possibility : implying I only react when things don't suit me. Given that I have absolutely no context to work with, I hardly see how any other conclusion would be more evident. It might not be the right one, but I won't take the blame for something that was poorly explained.

So here I ask. If my guess wasn't your point, then what was it? If you're afraid words will be put in your mouth, well then explain what you mean! Again, without context, I had but three choices : a) take everything to the letter and answer with a ridiculously short post consisting of "No" (in which case, you will certainly understand, at least a few people would come to the conclusion that I would never give a speech like I did to Streaker, which would make me look like a hypocrite I know I am not, and obviously I want to avoid that anyway) b) *try* to understand the context and go on with what I *think* is most likely correct or c) not even reply. Stuch between a rock and a hard place here - whatever I do can lead me to problems. See what I mean here?

So if that wasn't what you meant, and you don't want "words to be put in your mouth" (something that only arguably happened BTW because you basically put yourself in a position where I had no other choice but to put at least *some* words in your mouth), well then explain it clearly, and we'll go on from there. Deal?

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These are mainstream news stories from mainstream media. You don't like it? Tell that to the news media.

That's fair, I'll concede this thread is possibly relevant. Still, I'll take time to note I'm hardly bothered by the nature of the thread itself, but rather by the flames and evident bad intentions.

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My point about Streaker is that he constantly, day after day, posts articles that are negative to the U.S., to the point of trolling. Very few people ever call him on it.

Okay, so if one person gets away with it, then everybody should? Well damn, let's unlock the doors of the murderers' cells, 'cause we all know at least a few got away with it! Look, I don't care what Streaker did and does, if he started doing it to attack Quebec, I'd react just as strongly as I am here. Why don't I react when he attacks other provinces? I would. But I don't feel a quarter as concerned, so really sometimes I just don't bother and leave it to others. It's perfectly normal human reaction, and I'm definitely not going to start reading the entire forums just to be sure of what to answer and when so that I look *perfectly* consistent not only in my response, but also their level of aggressivity, and that at all times.

Heck, the few that decry Streaker - where are they when Grainfed posts? Not here. They don't care. It's normal. They don't feel concerned. They might answer sometimes, when they're bored, for good measure, but they certainly won't be as vocal and acidic as I am right now. And this works both ways : I won't be as vocal and acidic as them when they feel concerned and I don't.

Maybe this forum isn't used to having Québécois and separatists defend themselves, but I do, and I always will so long I consider I have decent reasons to. And I know I do it fairly, so don't think I'm dabbling in chauvinism here. I am not.

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What GFPB has posted pales in comparison to Streakers posts.

"Sorry m'am, but this guy only raped your three children, no one else. We've had reports of another who raped four and didn't get much fuss for it, so it'd be unfair if we did anything about your rapist."

Bad argument. Regardless.

Again, what Streaker posted doesn't matter. I disapprove his bias, but I'm human, and humans don't always go out of their way to point out teach and every questionable statement. They will from time to time, and much more often when they feel concerned. It's normal. And that's just how I act as well. Because it's human.

I won't even claim I'm right on all the line here. I already admitted to one mistake : claiming this thread is useless. If Grainfed took it from the mainstream media, then maybe it indeed is useful enough to be talked of. But that doesn't make Grainfed's flames more acceptable.

$1:

Sometimes we just have to accept our countries or our provinces aren't perfect and it's going to be displayed out in the open.

Look at my responses in the other threads, especially the one about sharing hydroelectric ressources. Did I defend Quebec? No. The situation benefits Quebec
unfairly and I didn't try to deny it, because facts are facts, and I don't care if somebody points them out. I know Quebec isn't perfect, I pretty damn know Québécois aren't perfect, and I won't deny truths. But I *will* react if people start insulting others directly or indirectly a) without providing a decent reason or b) without any reason, and I'll react even more strongly if I feel concerned.

$1:

That Quebec has a larger number of establishments per capita catering to the sexual predication's of both hetero and homosexuals? Or are you offended that I personally would suggest it?

Well then give us the numbers, and integrate them in a meaningful and coherent argument, don't just write a pointless sarcastic sentence that brings nothing and can only annoy others! You are well aware that communicating such information under the form of a sarcasm may and will indicate a questionable attitude...

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I've made my motives quite clear in other threads.

As I said earlier, nothing proves you didn't have meaningful motives, such as equality among Canadian provinces. That's fair. But what motivates the insults? Nothing. Abso-freakin-lutely nothing. And that's what piss me off. Posting so many arguably anti-Quebec threads in a short time period raises a red flag in my mind, but the best I could do would be to assume, and since you provide at least a little meaningful reasons, I can't say you *really* wanted to bash Quebec with that evidence alone. But you sprinkle barbs all over your posts, and THOSE are what annoy me. Maybe your main motive to posting these threads is really a meaningful one - I'll give you that. But what about the insults, hm? What are *those* for? I hardly see any motive behind that beyond merely that : insulting.

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It's completely relevant given the reasons I've previously articulated for the thread series.

I'll give you that.

[Benoit]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

That Quebec has a larger number of establishments per capita catering to the sexual predication's of both hetero and homosexuals? Or are you offended that I personally would suggest it?

The money parents spend on children cannot be spent eating out.

[Streaker]

For the record, I don't get away with everything. Half my "anti-American" threads get locked or nuked outright without any explanation as to why from the mod responsible.

[Benoit]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

That Quebec has a larger number of establishments per capita catering to the sexual predication's of both hetero and homosexuals? Or are you offended that I personally would suggest it?

Gays have more time and money because they don't give birth and feeding babies at a restaurant is more difficult than at home.

[BartSimpson]

Some chain of bars closes up in Quebec because their business did poorly there. To be fair, I don't see how this is any fault of Quebec's.

[BartSimpson]

Streaker Streaker:

For the record, I don't get away with everything. Half my "anti-American" threads get locked or nuked outright without any explanation as to why from the mod responsible.

That, in itself, is a statement on the matter from the mods.

[grainfedprairieboy]

fire_i fire_i:

$1:

What GFPB has posted pales in comparison to Streakers posts.

If Grainfed took it from the mainstream media, then maybe it indeed is useful enough to be talked of. But that doesn't make Grainfed's flames more acceptable.

I feel that I am in an acceptable position to be able to criticise Quebec. My wife is a francophone from the province and we travel there often. In fact, she'll be flying out next week for a two week stay. I also own property there and pay taxes on it and have to replace my vandalised Canadian and Alberta flags at my cottage near Port Neuf each summer and one year had to paint a wall after somebody sprayed anti-Canadian graffiti on it.

I am affectionately known as the "bloke" and for the small towns in the area that aren't used to an English guy in a cowboy hat, I've generally been always treated well with only the odd exception.

Couple of great stories:

Was parked on a street in Montreal about 10 years ago with my truck that had an Airborne sticker on it, a Canadian flag on the aerial and a custom made bumper sticker that read: "100% Canadian and Bloody Damn Proud!" that I had had custom made before driving out there. Anyway, to make a long story short, I came out and truck was gone and when wife and I went to report theft at police station cop wouldn't talk to me when he found out wife was French. Apparently driver had spotted truck with Alberta plates and accoutrements and had towed it 8 blocks down Demesanuve (who knows how to spell crazy French words) to the English side which he felt was a more appropriate location.

I could take a joke since when I crossed the border into Quebec about a week earlier, I had drapped a large sheet sign under the Welcome to Quebec swords that read: Your Alberta Tax Dollars At Work. Much to the wife's embarrassment to the honking cars.

Also, on a trip to a mall in Quebec (15 years ago) where they have a little train, I was eating in food court and tried my hand in French trying to get some milk from the A&W kiosk. But when I asked for the milk the girl at the counter started yelling at me and the guy in back came out and then he started yelling at me so I said that "if you don't have any milk that's fine" in English and went back and sat down. My wife asked what happened because at this point everybody sitting in food court was staring at us and that's where I learned there is only a subtle difference between "some milk" and "you're ugly" in French. (And she was). My wife apologised on my behalf of which she'll tell you has become pretty routine when we travel the dark side.

Try not to take things too seriously.

[mtbr]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

I could take a joke since when I crossed the border into Quebec about a week earlier, I had drapped a large sheet sign under the Welcome to Quebec swords that read: Your Alberta Tax Dollars At Work. Much to the wife's embarrassment to the honking cars.

Try not to take things too seriously.

I would pay$$$$$$ to have a picture of that

[FireWire]

Benoit Benoit:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

That Quebec has a larger number of establishments per capita catering to the sexual predication's of both hetero and homosexuals? Or are you offended that I personally would suggest it?

The money parents spend on children cannot be spent eating out.

You sure about this?

[Red_Eye]

Also, on a trip to a mall in Quebec (15 years ago) where they have a little train, I was eating in food court and tried my hand in French trying to get some milk from the A&W kiosk. But when I asked for the milk the girl at the counter started yelling at me and the guy in back came out and then he started yelling at me so I said that "if you don't have any milk that's fine" in English and went back and sat down. My wife asked what happened because at this point everybody sitting in food court was staring at us and that's where I learned there is only a subtle difference between "some milk" and "you're ugly" in French. (And she was). My wife apologised on my behalf of which she'll tell you has become pretty routine when we travel the dark side.
quote from qrain......................................................

OMG thats hilarious

[Red_Eye]

Grain don't feel bad about being called Boque.
I was called that when i moved back from the states when i was 10. I'm French for christ sake. As much as your Quebec bashing bugs me a bit at times they can bug me too. I have a foot hold in both worlds , alien to them both at times (english and french). It drives me nuts the stupidity and ignorance thrown to each side but I have also seen the flip side, how an anglo will make the effort to speak french and be very well appreciated for it. Um not like what happened to you tho HAHAHAHA god thats good HAHAHAh....ok ok aw man thats still killls me ...damn forgot what i was getting at ...

[grainfedprairieboy]

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Grain don't feel bad about being called Boque.

I always thought they were calling me a "bloke" like an English guy.

What exactly am I being called?

[Red_Eye]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Grain don't feel bad about being called Boque.

I always thought they were calling me a "bloke" like an English guy.

What exactly am I being called?

I never truly understood it my self . I think they took it from a British term 'bloke' tho from there added the stupidity that anglos have square heads. Its just plain ignorant. What i meant about not feeling so bad is that they called me that and I am pure blooded frenchmen. Just because i came back with an accent and mixed my words up. Just to show you the depths of their ignorance I guess. To me their on the loosing side.