[WarHawkster]

hwacker hwacker:

WarHawkster WarHawkster:

Haha! My schools where almost always ALL white.

Mine were also , well we had the one black guy but he could play hockey so he fit in. Until i moved to Toronto in grade 10 i didn't know we had a problem like this.

I think we had like 1 black person, and a couple of asians. It was funny when we talked about "multicuturalism" in class, and yet everyone was white in the room.

[canucker]

cmasta cmasta:

Finally I feel that multiculturalism as a government policy is just sort of a way of sticking it to the Americans. It is the exact opposite of what they pursue and has completely different aims. It’s actually funny because technically they are more multicultural than us! Canada is essentially in a state of denial when we pursue this policy, as the vast majority of the population is Caucasian and dislikes multiculturalism as a concept. It like we are being liberal for the sake of being liberal.

America isn't trying to be mulitcultural, as you said, they promote being patriotic, IMO. I don't know whether they are trying not to be multiculltural either, but now caucasions are the minority. They've even proposed to give Mexicans green cards if they sign up in the US Army and fight.

[a_former_canuck]

cmasta cmasta:

This is natural, and due to human nature, multiculturalism creates barriers between peoples and races, these people which could easily associate if they weren’t so radically different. Simply put, ethnocentria is keeping Canadians apart. It goes the other way too, and I see this first hand. White people are often racist and un accepting at heart and myself being a part of the WASP elite see this all the time. My relatives and their white friends are bitter about all the new cultures appearing in Toronto and all the demands they make.

Multiculturalism breeds bigotry. The melting pot prevents it (for those immigrants who choose to jump in).

Look at any Irish, Italian, Polish, etc. family that came here in the first half of the 20th century: they have blended into mainstream America, they speak English, and they are regarded as equals.

Now look at the Asians, Mexicans, blacks, Jews, and others: they keep to themselves, they try their best not to associate with other Americans, they refuse to adopt the American culture (and often even the language), and as a result tensions arise.

[cmasta]

canucker canucker:

cmasta cmasta:

Finally I feel that multiculturalism as a government policy is just sort of a way of sticking it to the Americans. It is the exact opposite of what they pursue and has completely different aims. It’s actually funny because technically they are more multicultural than us! Canada is essentially in a state of denial when we pursue this policy, as the vast majority of the population is Caucasian and dislikes multiculturalism as a concept. It like we are being liberal for the sake of being liberal.

America isn't trying to be mulitcultural, as you said, they promote being patriotic, IMO. I don't know whether they are trying not to be multiculltural either, but now caucasions are the minority. They've even proposed to give Mexicans green cards if they sign up in the US Army and fight.

Caucasians are still the majority within America. They represent 78% of the population, signifigantly less than here in Canada. And you are right about mexicans and hispanics. The American government is having some serious issues around their lack of assimilation to American norms.

[fiz63]

canucker canucker:

fiz63 fiz63:

Thats a problem with our immigration system. Not immigrants themselves. Take note that many of those asian canadains own buisness, which is a healthy addition to the canadain economy.

I agree it's not totally the immigrants at fault, but explain what you mean by it being the immigration systems problem? How so?

If a senior couple, from say asia arrive. And they have the financial stability to open up a buisness, what incintive do they really have to fully master thier english, intergate fully into canadain culture.. and so on.?


(i personaly dont see a problem with this..how good does your english have to be, to be say a clerk at your own convenience store.?)

however for some of you who do have a problem with such first generation canadains, shouldn't our immigration system be responsible for declining these people first hand?. I mean sure they open up new businesses and provide employment. It's not like we cant get immigrants who will tend to be more likely in mastering their english, and so on.

they are out there. they just wont provide an instant boost to the economy.

*having immigrants such as those i described, are they really that big of a deal? it's highly unlikely thier kids will be the same way, so it's not like its a continuous thing.

[RoyalHighlander]

Some of the posts here are bordering on racsist in thier content.. please re read your posts before clicking submit to make sure you arent crossing the line... I will delete any post that have racsist comments... thanks (RH)

[hwacker]

Well for starters convenience store clerk and owners are all full in Canada, We got enough of those

We need trades not nobody people that work at 7-11's and such.

[fiz63]

hwacker hwacker:

Well for starters convenience store clerk and owners are all full in Canada, We got enough of those

We need trades not nobody people that work at 7-11's and such.

my dad worked as a security gurad when new to canada.
now has a six figure salary.
many of those people are forced into working at 7-11s simply beacuse canada doesnt recognize their education, and they have to go back to school in order to attain jobs dealing with their proffesion.

i'm sure you've heard abouttoronto having a well educated taxi drivers. it isn't a myth.

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in order for you to except immigrants to quickly merge into canadain society, perhaps our government should start recognizing thier degrees. so they all dont wind up in the cheapest apartments in toronto. and then get accused of living in groups, and not wanting to intergrate into canadian society.

[canucker]

fiz63 fiz63:

in order for you to except immigrants to quickly merge into canadain society, perhaps our government should start recognizing thier degrees.

The BC government is beginning to do this now for foreign doctors as we have a doctor shortage here. I think that is a good thing.

[hwacker]

Ok let’s see I lived in Mexico for 2 years and worked with several Engineers in my field, I would put them in the second year at U of T.

Education in other countries is good but don't put them on the same level as Canada and USA.

[Rev_Blair]

Oh fer fuck sakes. What are you guys, fucking KKK?

[cmasta]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Oh fer fuck sakes. What are you guys, fucking KKK?

Are you talking about me? Is something wrong with my topic?

[Streaker]

This is just pathetic, reading this thread is like crawling through a sewer.

[Rosco]

I'm not a racist but I certainly am a culturalist.

Anyway, "La Raza" aside, the U.S. melting pot works.

My girlfriend is a first generation American, and she's 101% Americanized {don't say it! }, in fact even her parents are fully assimilated {enough to teach university} despite their barely speaking English when they arrived and their initially settling into an immigrant community.

You just don't see that here, especially in Vancouver where it's not unknown for immigrants to have lived here for decades and have never learned English or felt the need to experience life outside their particular ethnic colony.

[hwacker]

oh so you live in Toronto ?