[RUEZ]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

Can Conservatives answer any question about their own party/government without referring to another party/government?

You can't handle the truth.

[OnTheIce]

dougC dougC:

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dougC dougC:

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dougC dougC:

I'm also an Amercian citizen and I've seen how negative campaigning down there has screwed up politics. It's too bad that Harper has imported it here the way he has.

Umm what? Harper imported this now? Right.

He's brought it to a new level.

Running non-stop attack adds against Dion before an election is even called and making unbased claims that the Liberals are connected to terrorism just to pump his points up.

Sorry Doug but these ads were neither non-stop or unbased. I've seen one, and even then I think I saw it on youtube. It was the one where Dion cries like a girl and says that's unfair. There was nothing in that ad that was untrue. Apparently Canadians are agreeing.

Like I said I've been around for a while and I've never seen a more extensive attack campaign run against an Oppostition leader outside-and even possibly during- an election.

I don't follow the NFL anymore, but I've heard that Harper even bought a very expensive Super Bowl slot as part of the campaign. I've never been a member of a party before, hell a don't usually vote, but what I've been seeing disturbs me so much I've joined the Liberal Party.

I believe in nothing coming out of the conservative party now.

Is winning at any cost worth the long term damage this kind of behaviour will do to the political landscape of Canada?

You can tell your American. You're quite misinformed and ignorant despite being "around a long time".

[Canadaka]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

Can Conservatives answer any question about their own party/government without referring to another party/government?

nope, its rather annoying during question period.

[ReliableIntelligence]

What annoys me is that none of the Liberals ever call them on it.

[Scrappy]

It wouldn't do much good because Harper has the master remote and it's always on mute/mute/mute/mute. Libs/Cons should learn sign language and maybe the cons who want to speak out can sign their displeasure regarding the issues.

[Mr_Canada old]

$1:

You can tell your American. You're quite misinformed and ignorant despite being "around a long time".

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*adds this to the Vault of Interesting, Odd, or Strange Quotes*

[Triple_R]

Ignatieff would have been a better pick for the Liberals, and it's really starting to show.

Dion's English is good enough for most bi-lingual professions that don't require a great deal of public speaking... but it really is pretty weak for a Prime Minister. That, combined with the slick attack ads, combined with CTV being pretty hard on the Liberals (not that I'm complaining, but CTV and Mike Duffy Live haven't given these guys any passes), has done a lot of harm to the Liberals.

The Liberals aren't used to being in the role of opposition, and it shows. They're still trying to find the right voice to appeal to Canadians with given their new role as the opposition.

The surge of the Greens is very important, though. Just how solid is that 10 to 15%? Would the Greens actually get those votes in an election... or would a lot of them bleed off to the Liberals in a "stop/get rid of Harper" move?

[camerontech]

Canadaka Canadaka:

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

Can Conservatives answer any question about their own party/government without referring to another party/government?

nope, its rather annoying during question period.

I'll just come out and say it.

I'll agree with you on that one...

[Patrick_Ross]

Something was just brought to my attention: apparently the poll showing the 14-point lead was conducted via online interviews.

Resultingly, there is less cause for confidence in this poll than previously thought. Don't let it run away with you.

[TheGup]

Just regarding how these attack ads are "American style". Who recalls the ads in which Stephen Harper had links to a vast right wing American conspiracy? When Stephen Harper would destroy health care? When Stephen Harper would destroy Canada by working with the Bloc? When Stephen Harper would allow guns into cities. Canadian cities. And they weren't even making it up?

Anyways, the point is, the Liberals framed Stockwell Day in the exact same manner, and they tried to do it to Harper. Frankly, I see nothing wrong with it, especially since it is all grounded in fact, unlike some of the Liberal ads.

As well, in regards to the terrorist links, it is a well known and well documented fact that the Liberal Party does have connections with terrorist groups. Take for example the Tamil Tigers, who are a terrorist group in Sri Lanka, and who routinely kill Sri Lankan citizens, and have threatened and extorted Sri Lankan Canadians. Paul Martin, Bryon Wilfert, and Judy Sgro went to a fundraising dinner with them.

Are the Liberals a terrorist sympathizing party? No. Are the Liberals way too soft on terrorism (under Dion)? Hell yes.

[OnTheIce]

The bottom line is, this is the reality of politics in Canada. This is how things are being done and how they will be done for decades to come.

[dougC]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

dougC dougC:

Is winning at any cost worth the long term damage this kind of behaviour will do to the political landscape of Canada?

You just quoted Liberal policy.

I used to think that way too. I was more inclined to support the PCs until Peter whathisname did his flip-flop and turned them over to the Alliance.

The 1990s were a crazy time politically and the Liberals did one hell of a good job just keeping Canada alive for the conservatives to screw up now.

What was that soveirgnty vote in 1995 again? Something like 51% non, 49% oui. Pretty damn close to the end of Canada there. Sponsorship came out of that time as both sides used "unusual" funding to get their points across. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but it wasn't bunch of former PCs that went to help form the Bloq. Where did the conservatives go there for a while anyway...hmmm.

[dougC]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

dougC dougC:

Is winning at any cost worth the long term damage this kind of behaviour will do to the political landscape of Canada?

You just quoted Liberal policy.

I used to think that way till it occured to me that there would be no Canada if not for the Liberals. Who was going to protect her from the Bloq, the Conservatives? Oh wait, former members helped form the Bloq.

[grainfedprairieboy]

dougC dougC:

Like I said I've been around for a while and I've never seen a more extensive attack campaign run against an Oppostition leader outside-and even possibly during- an election.

You're kidding right? Any other liberal want to defend that statement? Bouchard, Manning and especially Day all sufferred the 'slings and arrows of outrageous' liberals who blew away anything the Conservatives are doing now. I'm not defending their actions but to make a comment like that dougC is simply wrong.

[neopundit]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

He didn't say the ads were baseless, he said the accusations of terrorist links were baseless.

Which they are.

Accusations like that get stupid conservatives out to vote.

Ask Karl Rove.