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Check this out of a true story, ARctic.
Straying from the Buddhist Path — Why I stopped following Buddha and started following Jesus?





I came to the Buddhist path as a seeker. I was skeptical about religious claims, but felt a deep void in my life. I yearned for meaning and truth in a unpredictable and often hostile world. In Buddhism, I thought I had found what I was searching for.

Buddhists has never started a war. There was never a Buddhist Inquisition. They emphasized wisdom, compassion, lovingkindness, and personal transformation. And they certainly never threatened me with eternity in a lake of fire.

But it was not meant to be. That deep void in my life? It was what has often been described as a “God-shaped vacuum”—the emptiness that only God can fill. We are His creation, made in His image. He intends for us to have a relationship with Him and, when we are without Him, we feel empty and alone. No matter how long I meditated or what teachings I read, I could not fill this emptiness in my life. For in Buddhism, there is no sovereign, loving Creator.

True, some Buddhists purport to believe in a god, or in a realm of higher beings called devas. Others pray to statues of Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). But as a whole, Buddhism is not a theistic religion. It has a law—the law of karma—but no lawgiver.

According to the Buddhist worldview, all beings accumulate karma based on their actions, and karma dictates their life circumstances. When a person dies, the karma accumulated in that lifetime (and all previous lives) determines his or her lot in the next life.

To many Buddhists, this means that a person born into a wealthy family has good karma, while someone who lives in a poor, disease-infested village would have accumulated negative karma.

Buddhists believe karma keeps one trapped in an endless cycle of death and rebirth (samsara), and the only way out is through enlightenment. To become enlightened, one has to eliminate desire. Buddha taught that desire is the root of suffering; that it causes attachment, which leads to suffering, and in turn causes other beings to suffer. This produces negative karma. If one eliminates desire and stops causing suffering, one can become enlightened, as he had.

But eventually I began to question. Who or what had set this law of karma in motion? Who judged these beings' actions and sentenced them to another life of pain? Why were beings punished for actions they would be unable to remember? Was desire always a bad thing? Wasn't the desire for enlightenment still desire? If so, how could one ever attain enlightenment?

So I strayed from the Buddhist path, the emptiness within me greater than before. I began to examine the claims of Jesus of Nazareth in a new light, laying aside the biases and prejudices that had caused me to dismiss Him as merely a “great human teacher.” The more I searched, the more I came to believe that there was a sovereign God who loved me and that Jesus was who He claimed to be—the Son of Man, fully human and fully God. I accepted Christ into my heart.

In doing so, I now feel that I've found true enlightenment—through a personal relationship with my Creator.

What's more, I discovered that what I had sought through the Buddhist path—wisdom, compassion, and lovingkindness—were found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. The supreme act of compassion was His sacrifice on the cross—that while we were still sinners, He died for us.

No human alive could ever demonstrate this kind of unselfish, unconditional love. No human can match God's divine mercy and lovingkindness, no matter how long we meditate or what books we've read. Yet we must try, for when we receive Christ, we become a new creation and begin the process of becoming Christ-like. The apostle John wrote. “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6, KNJV).

If this kind of personal transformation is not enlightenment, I do not know what is. To me, having a personal relationship with God and the assurance of salvation brings true peace. And it's ours if we but ask for it


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Check this out of a true story, ARctic.
Straying from the Buddhist Path — Why I stopped following Buddha and started following Jesus?





I came to the Buddhist path as a seeker. I was skeptical about religious claims, but felt a deep void in my life. I yearned for meaning and truth in a unpredictable and often hostile world. In Buddhism, I thought I had found what I was searching for.

Buddhists has never started a war. There was never a Buddhist Inquisition. They emphasized wisdom, compassion, lovingkindness, and personal transformation. And they certainly never threatened me with eternity in a lake of fire.

But it was not meant to be. That deep void in my life? It was what has often been described as a “God-shaped vacuum”—the emptiness that only God can fill. We are His creation, made in His image. He intends for us to have a relationship with Him and, when we are without Him, we feel empty and alone. No matter how long I meditated or what teachings I read, I could not fill this emptiness in my life. For in Buddhism, there is no sovereign, loving Creator.

True, some Buddhists purport to believe in a god, or in a realm of higher beings called devas. Others pray to statues of Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). But as a whole, Buddhism is not a theistic religion. It has a law—the law of karma—but no lawgiver.

According to the Buddhist worldview, all beings accumulate karma based on their actions, and karma dictates their life circumstances. When a person dies, the karma accumulated in that lifetime (and all previous lives) determines his or her lot in the next life.

To many Buddhists, this means that a person born into a wealthy family has good karma, while someone who lives in a poor, disease-infested village would have accumulated negative karma.

Buddhists believe karma keeps one trapped in an endless cycle of death and rebirth (samsara), and the only way out is through enlightenment. To become enlightened, one has to eliminate desire. Buddha taught that desire is the root of suffering; that it causes attachment, which leads to suffering, and in turn causes other beings to suffer. This produces negative karma. If one eliminates desire and stops causing suffering, one can become enlightened, as he had.

But eventually I began to question. Who or what had set this law of karma in motion? Who judged these beings' actions and sentenced them to another life of pain? Why were beings punished for actions they would be unable to remember? Was desire always a bad thing? Wasn't the desire for enlightenment still desire? If so, how could one ever attain enlightenment?

So I strayed from the Buddhist path, the emptiness within me greater than before. I began to examine the claims of Jesus of Nazareth in a new light, laying aside the biases and prejudices that had caused me to dismiss Him as merely a “great human teacher.” The more I searched, the more I came to believe that there was a sovereign God who loved me and that Jesus was who He claimed to be—the Son of Man, fully human and fully God. I accepted Christ into my heart.

In doing so, I now feel that I've found true enlightenment—through a personal relationship with my Creator.

What's more, I discovered that what I had sought through the Buddhist path—wisdom, compassion, and lovingkindness—were found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. The supreme act of compassion was His sacrifice on the cross—that while we were still sinners, He died for us.

No human alive could ever demonstrate this kind of unselfish, unconditional love. No human can match God's divine mercy and lovingkindness, no matter how long we meditate or what books we've read. Yet we must try, for when we receive Christ, we become a new creation and begin the process of becoming Christ-like. The apostle John wrote. “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6, KNJV).

If this kind of personal transformation is not enlightenment, I do not know what is. To me, having a personal relationship with God and the assurance of salvation brings true peace. And it's ours if we but ask for it
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Is Heaven and HELL Buncha baloney?


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Remember what it was like before you were born??? That's what it will be like when your dead.... simple as that.


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Check this out of a true story, ARctic.
Straying from the Buddhist Path — Why I stopped following Buddha and started following Jesus?





I came to the Buddhist path as a seeker. I was skeptical about religious claims, but felt a deep void in my life. I yearned for meaning and truth in a unpredictable and often hostile world. In Buddhism, I thought I had found what I was searching for.

Buddhists has never started a war. There was never a Buddhist Inquisition. They emphasized wisdom, compassion, lovingkindness, and personal transformation. And they certainly never threatened me with eternity in a lake of fire.

But it was not meant to be. That deep void in my life? It was what has often been described as a “God-shaped vacuum”—the emptiness that only God can fill. We are His creation, made in His image. He intends for us to have a relationship with Him and, when we are without Him, we feel empty and alone. No matter how long I meditated or what teachings I read, I could not fill this emptiness in my life. For in Buddhism, there is no sovereign, loving Creator.

True, some Buddhists purport to believe in a god, or in a realm of higher beings called devas. Others pray to statues of Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). But as a whole, Buddhism is not a theistic religion. It has a law—the law of karma—but no lawgiver.

According to the Buddhist worldview, all beings accumulate karma based on their actions, and karma dictates their life circumstances. When a person dies, the karma accumulated in that lifetime (and all previous lives) determines his or her lot in the next life.

To many Buddhists, this means that a person born into a wealthy family has good karma, while someone who lives in a poor, disease-infested village would have accumulated negative karma.

Buddhists believe karma keeps one trapped in an endless cycle of death and rebirth (samsara), and the only way out is through enlightenment. To become enlightened, one has to eliminate desire. Buddha taught that desire is the root of suffering; that it causes attachment, which leads to suffering, and in turn causes other beings to suffer. This produces negative karma. If one eliminates desire and stops causing suffering, one can become enlightened, as he had.

But eventually I began to question. Who or what had set this law of karma in motion? Who judged these beings' actions and sentenced them to another life of pain? Why were beings punished for actions they would be unable to remember? Was desire always a bad thing? Wasn't the desire for enlightenment still desire? If so, how could one ever attain enlightenment?

So I strayed from the Buddhist path, the emptiness within me greater than before. I began to examine the claims of Jesus of Nazareth in a new light, laying aside the biases and prejudices that had caused me to dismiss Him as merely a “great human teacher.” The more I searched, the more I came to believe that there was a sovereign God who loved me and that Jesus was who He claimed to be—the Son of Man, fully human and fully God. I accepted Christ into my heart.

In doing so, I now feel that I've found true enlightenment—through a personal relationship with my Creator.

What's more, I discovered that what I had sought through the Buddhist path—wisdom, compassion, and lovingkindness—were found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. The supreme act of compassion was His sacrifice on the cross—that while we were still sinners, He died for us.

No human alive could ever demonstrate this kind of unselfish, unconditional love. No human can match God's divine mercy and lovingkindness, no matter how long we meditate or what books we've read. Yet we must try, for when we receive Christ, we become a new creation and begin the process of becoming Christ-like. The apostle John wrote. “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6, KNJV).

If this kind of personal transformation is not enlightenment, I do not know what is. To me, having a personal relationship with God and the assurance of salvation brings true peace. And it's ours if we but ask for it


Yeah, from a Crazy Christian site. :roll: I hope you at least went to Fb's link about Jesus in the Himalayas...


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Is heaven and hell baloney?

Of course it is.

Although I do believe our consciousness survives death.


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1. If there is no personal God, and if one can attain nirvana only as a result of the destruction of thirst (tanha) / desire, therefore the destruction of attachment, therefore the destruction of existence--from whence, do you suppose, did personality (or even the sense of personality) ever come? Exactly what is it, and where does it go when one ceases to exist?


Personality comes naturally/what influences you in life. "God" has no play in it.

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2. Without a personal God, on what basis can there ever exist any human moral standard or ethic--and therefore, in what sense do you mean for us to understand the terms noble and truth, i.e. The Four Noble Truths, or the term right in the eight-fold path of right views, resolve, speech, conduct, occupation, efforts, awareness, and meditation?


You really didn't read, did you? :roll:

Human moral standards and ethics don't have to come from a Bible. Buddha's teachings are remarkably similar to those of Jesus in terms of charity, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc...

Buddha did not mean for us to understand anything of what he said in terms of what he wanted us to do. All he wanted us to do was to make our own intelligent and though-out understanding of his teachings. This si what he aid on hsi death bed:

"Now, don´t believe my words because a Buddha told you, but examine them well. Be a light onto yourselves."

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3. If your teaching, which came on the scene in the sixth century B.C., alone represents truth and liberation--what provision was there for the millions who lived previous to the advent of your enlightenment and teaching? Why do you suppose that you, of all humankind, were the one to come on this insight when you did?


The exact same could be said for Christianity.

Buddha attempted to reform Hinduism, and the two are very similar if you had done any in depth research. Many Brahmin Caste Hindus fiercely defended Hinduism and attempted to discredit Buddhism. Eventually, like many other religions, Buddhism came about because of a failed reformation of a previous religion.

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4. If, as you are reported to have said, nirvana is "beyond...good and evil", then, in the ultimate sense, there is really no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or between helping an old lady across the street and running her down--correct?


Nice spin. :roll:

Nirvana is beyond good and evil in the sense that all souls have the ability to be freed from the endless cycle. Some can do so faster than others.

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5. Thich Nhat Hanh, bodhisattva (holy man) and author of Living Buddha, Living Christ © 1995 by Riverhead Books, attempts to homogenize Buddhism and Christianity. Though you never knew of Jesus Christ, it would seem that you too might suggest that one could conceivably be a "Christian Buddhist". Yet how could that ever be possible given Christianity's categorical differences with Buddhism on matters like the nature of sin, reincarnation, and salvation--to name just a few. Jesus claimed to be the Truth. The Christian Scripture says that "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12


I reference you to fatbasturd's posts and link to the Jesus in the Himalayas site. If you really took the time to get your head out of your ass, you would see that Christianity and Buddhism share many similarities. Many Buddhists also see Jesus as a Bodhisattva.

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6. How do you feel about the many variations of your teaching that have evolved down through the years? Please comment on Theravada (38%), Mahayana (56%), Tantrism or Vajranaya, Tibetan (6%; Dalai Lama), and Zen Buddhism?


He would not doubt be pissed off, as would Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad if they had seen what has become of their religions.

Logically, there should be no sects or even religion of Buddhism, since Buddha told everyone to be a light unto themselves. That is what seperates me from other Buddhists. I have maintained one of Buddha's most important and central teachings. You on the other hand, I think Jesus would like to have a good talk with you... :wink:

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7. Chuck Stanford says: "Like cloudy water, our minds are basically pure and clear, but sometimes they become cloudy from the storms of discursive thoughts. Just like water, if we let our minds sit undisturbed the mud and muck will eventually settle to the bottom. Once this happens we can begin to get in touch with our basic goodness. It is through this basic goodness that the Buddha discovered that we can lead sane lives." But, Mr. Gautama, what if you are wrong about our being basically good? The Bible says that we're conceived in sin. What if there is a personal God to whom we will all one day answer? What if your enlightenment (awakening) was really only a dream?


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But, Mr. Gautama, what if you are wrong about our being basically good? The Bible says that we're conceived in sin.


That is a difference in teaching. However, you neglect to mention about karma being accrued in a previous life, and how it affects us in this life. We are basically good, but have to carry the burden of karma, which is the same thing as: "what goes around comes around".

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What if there is a personal God to whom we will all one day answer? What if your enlightenment (awakening) was really only a dream?


And what if your wrong and he's right? This is a rather hypothetical question that has no right or wrong answer. Hell, he could be wrong, but I won't know unless I try. :D It's a lot better than assuming that yours is right and everyone else's is wrong...

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8. Scene from 'Beyond Rangoon'In the film Beyond Rangoon Laura's guide says that the (Buddhist) Burmese expect suffering, not happiness. When happiness comes, it is to be enjoyed as a gift, but with the awareness that it will soon certainly pass. If the ultimate Buddhist hope is to just leave the present wheel of birth and rebirth and enter into the ineffable bliss of Nirvana, where is the motivation to do good, and to actively oppose injustice, in this present life?


The answer is staring you in the face, and yet you cannot see it. :roll:


To be good and oppose injustice and to help those less fortunate will help you acquire good karma, which will help to make your next life a better one. Also, you can begin to understand and discover how the world works.

You do all of this and more in hopes of achieving ultimate freedom and liberty. Wanting to achieve Nirvana is the motivation to make you live a good, honest, just, charitable life. I can't believe you couldn't see that. :roll:

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9. How do we reconcile the Dalai Lama's observation that "Every human being has the potential to create happiness", with your own teaching that suffering is caused by desire? If one sets out to resist desire, why would one ever then entertain the desire for happiness, and thus work to create it?


Desire for material goods=suffering. It is an endless cycle that can never truly satisfy you. It is not so much resisting desire, but achieving freedom from desire. Happiness can come in many forms, many of which are non-materialistic. You're trying to make it sound like Buddhists abhor happiness, which is complete and utter bullcrap. :roll:

I must say though, you're a pretty good spin doctor and you're pretty good at leaving out key bits of information.

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Personal Trivia: Did you really sit under that bo tree for seven full days--without ever eating any figs? Did your remarkably sensitive, compassionate, nature come more from your mother or father? How did your son, left to grow up without a father, feel about your "Great Renunciation"?


You know, given your earlier post about the eightfold path, the four noble truths and such, I can't remember if you posted anything about the Four Sights of Siddhartha Gautama. His remarkably sensitive, compassionate nature came from the Four Sights he encountered on a trip trhough his city. He began to set out on a mission to free humanity from suffering. Also, it couldn't have been his mother, since she died shortly after his birth.

His son would have been proud of his father for achieving Nirvana, since no doubt the son of the Buddha would have been raised with Buddhist teachings.

I myself doubt that Buddha sat under that tree for seven days without eating any figs, since that would contradict the idea of the Middle-Path. It was probably written in by a Buddhist monk to glorify the Buddha.








I would like to note, that there are far too few grammatical errors and the punctuation si pretty good, which you obviously copied and pasted this information.

Is it at all possible for you to say your own intelligent words and thoughts?


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I will get you that answer regarding Biochemist.


We're still waiting...


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Here you go Blue_nose


FLIERMANS:
"Modern biochemistry proves that organisms are marvelously designed and this fact alone proves the existance of the Creator."

PROF.DUANE GISH:
"The fossil record refutes the evolutionary theory and it demonstrates that species appeared on Earth
fully formed and well designed. This is a concrete evidence for that they were created by God."


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FLIERMANS:
"Modern biochemistry proves that organisms are marvelously designed and this fact alone proves the existance of the Creator."

PROF.DUANE GISH:
"The fossil record refutes the evolutionary theory and it demonstrates that species appeared on Earth
fully formed and well designed. This is a concrete evidence for that they were created by God."


What am I supposed to do with that? Just imagine who these people might be, and why they've made these claims?


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Here's a picture thats so stupid. About evolution. They must be the missing link. That hasn't been found, no bones, fossils. There is no evolution. Where is the ppl from middle between the monkey and the Human? Where is that? Like the substance.


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Here you go Blue_nose


FLIERMANS:
"Modern biochemistry proves that organisms are marvelously designed and this fact alone proves the existance of the Creator."

PROF.DUANE GISH:
"The fossil record refutes the evolutionary theory and it demonstrates that species appeared on Earth
fully formed and well designed. This is a concrete evidence for that they were created by God."


What am I supposed to do with that? Just imagine who these people might be, and why they've made these claims?
Maybe they done actual research? WHy would they be Biochemists, right?


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Regarding your cartoon - lack of evidence (which may not be as lacking as creationists would claim) doesn't provide you with the opportunity to make up any story that you want.

Let's say you woke up one morning and discovered that, during the night, a tree had fallen and smashed your garage - since you didn't see it happen, are you going to say that there's no real 'proof' that it fell for natural reasons, and that it's just as likely that an elephant walked by and pushed it over? According to your logic, it's more reasonable to believe it was an elephant.

I have no idea who these people are - I asked for some sort of evidence, and you only provided two quotations from unknown sources.

Well, almost unknown - I searched for Duane Gish, and found that he is typically discredited by the scientific community. He's a creationist posing as a biochemist, and I'm guessing the same is true for whomever you're referring to as "FLIERMANS".


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Here's a picture thats so stupid. About evolution. They must be the missing link. That hasn't been found, no bones, fossils. There is no evolution.


A couple of questions for you:


#1. If evolution isn't real, why do we share something like 98% of our DNA with Chimpanzees? By the way, feel free to correct me on the DNA number. I'm pretty sure I'm off...

#2. How can you honestly say that Evolution isn't real, when the basic tenets of it is the idea of species making small changes over long periods of time and survival of the fittest?

#3. No bones or fossils found? Are you kidding me? Scientists, Archeologists and Anthropologists have found bones and fossils of humans and human-related mammals across Africa. And with each new discovery, we come closer and closer to filling the gap.


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Evolution does happen. You can argue whether we've evolved from apes but you can't deny the fact that you will look a lot like your parents and your children will look a lot like you.


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