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figfarmer
Forum Elite
Posts: 1682
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:55 pm
OK, so it was only a couple of cops chasing a carjacker. Canada has done nothing about it. Is this the wave of the future?
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drunken_prop
Junior Member
Posts: 60
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:30 am
What??????
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AdamNF
Forum Elite
Posts: 1134
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:11 am
I know somthing really needs to be be done about it, be cant let this do unpunished. Law inforcemnt from other countires just cant go around operating in our country like a bunch of cowboys.
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:26 am
We need to press charges, end of story. They entered the county illegally and they brought restricted firearms across the border. They were involved in a high-speed chase that led to the death of a Canadian citizen.
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figfarmer
Forum Elite
Posts: 1682
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:43 am
Why didn't out border guards blast them as the beggars went through? That would seem to me to be proper form. We aren't talking about someone sneaking across a border in the dark of night. They crashed the gates or whatever. Where were the instant roadblocks and spike belts that should have been in place?
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Posts: 1685
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:58 am
The culprits were in line at the border crossing when spotted by the us flatfeet. A pursuit ensued and ended in tragedy as usual.
However, most state, provincial and federal flatfeet are allowed to use what's called 'instant pursuit.' Meaning they can chase you right into your basement if they have to and don't lose sight of you during the pursuit.
This will be an interesting test of legalities that some may be tempted to brush under the carpet. You can bet the union for the canukistan security guards standing on guard for thee will use this as another example of why they should be armed and then really considered dangerous.
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Posts: 8157
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:21 am
What the hell are you guys talking about?
I guess news travels slow to Kentucky, somebody wanna post a link or something?
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Posts: 160
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:51 am
Its just another example of how our country's sovereignty is at stake. The fact that anyone could just break thru our border and not be held accountable is Unbelievable, let alone the fact that one of our own was killed as a result of this invasion. As to the comment about our border guards being armed-they should be! We share the longest Undefended border in the world with the most hypocritical cowboys in the world. And as far as undefended? I live in Windsor and when I enter Detroit those cowboys have 9mm's so why not our side too? Both share the same threat. Our country has been fleeced by passivist and morons for far too long. The blind leading the blind you might say, but I am no blind man and I think the rest of us aren't either its time to do something about theses things...........I am open to suggestions.
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othello
Active Member
Posts: 263
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:58 am
For Robair and others who may not be aware of this...
U.S. police spotted a stolen vehicle heading towards the Rainbow Bridge, the Canada/US border at Niagara Falls. The U.S. police gave chase, leading to a high speed pursuit. The man in the stolen car broke through the toll area on the way onto the bridge and busted through the RV lane of customs on the Canadian side of the bridge. The U.S. police continued their chase across the bridge and into Canada. They didn't want Canadian customs of the chase, so the Canadian Customs officials were unable to set up any kind of trap (spike strip, barriers, whatever) to stop the pursuit.
The U.S. police did stop the pursuit several blocks into downtown Niagara Falls, and returned to the U.S. The assailant continued travelling through downtown at high speeds. He was intoxicated or high, I'm not sure which, and smashed a number of parked cars before hitting and killing a woman. He eventually crashed and fled on foot. Again, not having been warned soon enough, the Canadian cops didn't get to the area until he had already fled. He was subsequently found and has been arrested with a number of offenses.
The issue, of course, is that the US police continued a pursuit into Canada without notifying Canadian authorities or obtaining Canadian consent. The US police chief is defending his officers as having done the correct thing in the circumstances and didn't appear to be aware of border protocols in the interview that I saw after the incident.
As you can imagine, a number of people on the Canadian side of the border are very concerned about this. The police entered Canada illegally, and by continuing the pursuit into a Canadian city, may have contributed to the death of the woman.
My sense is that the police were probably not adequately made aware of the issues regarding cross-border pursuits, and the book shouldn't be thrown at them specifically. It should be thrown at the U.S. police force, which clearly provides insufficient training in this area and is unconcerned about the issues that Canadians are upset about. Of course, what can we actually do about it? I dunno.
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Mukluk
Forum Junkie
Posts: 718
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:15 am
I don't know any details other than what is posted here, but it does raise some questions.
Why is it that American police officers working in a border town not aware of how to contact Canadian border patrol or authorities?
More concerning to me - how can it be that easy to get through our border in a speeding car! That's retarded and we should be embarassed. Let's fix the root cause here....that car was allowed to enter our country and we couldn't stop it, period. Had he wanted to, he just would have driven in and we never would have caught him.
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PS - the American cops should not have been permitted to leave the country.
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Posts: 1685
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:41 am
Pembroke, Ontario is a classic example of keystone flatfeet. Three police departments each bordering and overlapping on the other. Three separate police communication bands. They can't even hear each other let alone talk.
Given what happened it's not surprising. Canada has long had a fear of their police becoming 'Americanised' hence the reluctance to equip the police with whatever is the latest. Poor old Canada's nose is out of joint because the Americans didn't communicate. How would they do that? Drums, smoke signals, mirrors come to mind. Border towns/cities should have the ability to communicate including the border guards, but they don't and they won't.
For this to happen in Niagara Falls where the flatfeet couldn't catch Bernardo even though he voluteered himself as a suspect and sat through numerous interviews. Maybe they should get medals for this fine feet.
Wonder what we would have done if a Russian sub popped through the ice in Hamilton Harbor captained by Comrade Putin? Likely given him and his accompanying band of KGB thugs a warm meal and an up close and personal visit of csis hq and 24 sussex, no?
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Posts: 160
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:42 pm
The American cops, in my opinion, should have been disarmed and detained. I would expect that if the shoe were on the other foot-the americans would have done this to our police.
Lack of communication between border city cops is not confined to just Niagara falls but in Windsor as well. However here they do have RCMP units at the border that interact with the U.S. customs service officers.
Canadians have a right to "have their noses out of joint" There are no provisions for this type of event except that customs be notified and also the Canadian authorities who should have been fully capable of stopping the vehicle.
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Posts: 1685
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:12 pm
Our collective schnozz is always out of joint, usually over misguided perceptions that we actually count for something in the wide world workings.
Communication between all authorities and not just frequently useless 911 operators could have prevented this.
Canada is guilty I say!
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blubs
Active Member
Posts: 445
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:33 pm
uh karra please explain to me why you think canada is the guilty one in this? Seems to me if the american cops would have given up on the chase and radioed ahead to the boarder guards. This yahoo would most likely have been caught.
Yet again it is the case of the americans shooting first and asking questions later so to speak. How hard is it to pick up the mike in the cop car and tell who ever they have a chase going and need help to stop the guy?
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Posts: 160
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:58 pm
Karra darling its is people like you that contribute to this weak society we live in. One thing I will give to American's in general is that when they percieve themselves to be right they stop at nothing to get that point across. I consider people like this to have, at the very least, a backbone. Self depreciative people such as yourself do more harm than good in an up and coming society such as ours. This country once stood strong against enemies of all sorts. Just look up some of the links on the Home page and you too will see that the heritage of this country once had strong individuals in it possibly-but I doubt it, ancestors of yours. Each and every time an injustice is done and it goes without consequence a tear is made in the moral fabric that our country was made of. As you excuse and shift the blame to us there is a family missing one of theirs, a Canadian, that was killed as a result of these cowboys next to us. Wake up sunshine.
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