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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:58 pm
 


I've heard that most rational Argentines see this for what it is, a desperate unpopular president trying to boost her popularity for upcoming elections by resurrecting the Falklands issue.


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Don't Cry for me Argentina.


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Just put the Royal Ghurka Regiment on the Island and you won't find an Argentinian grunt within a hundred miles of their own coast line little own the Falklands. :roll:

If the President of Argentina wants to increase her popularity why doesn't she just release a porn video?

I'd gladly appear with her. :D


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Just put the Royal Ghurka Regiment on the Island and you won't find an Argentinian grunt within a hundred miles of their own coast line little own the Falklands. :roll:

If the President of Argentina wants to increase her popularity why doesn't she just release a porn video?

I'd gladly appear with her. :D

She could then put her mouth to good use for a change.


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GreenTiger GreenTiger:
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Just put the Royal Ghurka Regiment on the Island and you won't find an Argentinian grunt within a hundred miles of their own coast line little own the Falklands. :roll:

If the President of Argentina wants to increase her popularity why doesn't she just release a porn video?

I'd gladly appear with her. :D

She could then put her mouth to good use for a change.

Oh no you di'int!!!


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Obomba insults everyone, except his handlers like maybe orca the whale - otherwise everyone is fair game, especially apparently the brits. Heres some gezers idea of the latest top 10..

1. Siding with Argentina over the Falkland Islands

This has remained the top insult for three years running. For sheer offensiveness it’s hard to beat the Obama administration’s brazen support for Argentina’s call for UN-brokered negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falklands, despite the fact that 255 British servicemen laid down their lives to restore British rule over the Islands after they were brutally invaded in 1982. In a March 2010 press conference in Buenos Aires with President Cristina Kirchner, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave Argentina a huge propaganda coup by emphatically backing the position of the Péronist regime.

In June 2011, Mrs Clinton slapped Britain in face again by signing on to an Organisation of American States (OAS) resolution calling for negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, a position which is completely unacceptable to Great Britain. To add insult to injury, the Obama administration has insisted on using the Argentine term “Malvinas” to describe the Islands in yet another sop to Buenos Aires.

In 2012, against a backdrop of growing aggression by Argentina, including efforts to blockade international vessels fishing in Falkland waters, the Obama administration continued to undercut Britain. In January and February the State Department again supported direct negotiations between Argentina and Britain, parroting the line taken by Buenos Aires.

2. Calling France America’s strongest ally

In January last year, President Obama held a joint press conference at the White House with his French counterpart, literally gushing with praise for Washington’s new-found Gallic friends, declaring: “We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.” As I noted at the time:

Quite what the French have done to merit this kind of high praise from the US president is difficult to fathom, and if the White House means what it says this represents an extraordinary sea change in US foreign policy. Nicolas Sarkozy is a distinctly more pro-American president than any of his predecessors, and has been an important ally over issues such as Iran and the War on Terror. But to suggest that Paris and not London is Washington’s strongest partner is simply ludicrous.

These kinds of presidential statements matter. No US president in modern times has described France as America’s closest ally, and such a remark is not only factually wrong but also insulting to Britain, not least coming just a few years after the French famously knifed Washington in the back over the war in Iraq.

3. Lecturing Britain on a federal Europe and undercutting British sovereignty

The Obama administration’s relentless and wrongheaded support for the creation of a federal Europe, from backing the Treaty of Lisbon to the EU Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), is a slap in the face for the principle of national sovereignty in Europe. While the Bush Administration was divided over Europe, the Obama team has been ardently euro-federalist. Hillary Clinton called the Lisbon Treaty “a major milestone in our world’s history”, and in an interview with The Irish Times in 2009 stated: “I believe [political integration is] in Europe’s interest and I believe that is in the United States’ interest because we want a strong Europe.” And Vice President Joe Biden has described Brussels as the “capital of the free world.”

Most insultingly, the Obama administration has sought to intervene in British policy towards the European project. The US Ambassador to London, Louis Susman, has warned Britain that “all key issues must run through Europe.” According to a report by The Parliament.com, in a private meeting with British MEPs at an event in the European Parliament in January 2011, Susman called for a stronger British commitment to the EU, emphatically warning against British withdrawal:

I want to stress that the UK needs to remain in the EU. The US does not want to see Britain’s role in the EU diminished in any way. The message I want to convey today is that we want to see a stronger EU, but also a stronger British participation within the EU. This is crucial if, together, we are going to meet all the global challenges facing us, including climate change and security.

4. Betraying Britain to appease Moscow over the New START Treaty

In February 2011, The Daily Telegraph broke a major story with damaging implications for the Special Relationship, revealing that Washington “secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty.” According to The Telegraph report:

Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week. Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal. Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US.

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

5. Airbrushing Britain from Europe

A striking feature of Obama administration speeches on Europe is the frequent omission altogether of Great Britain, as if it doesn’t even exist. A major recent example of this was an address in January 2012 by Philip H. Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, on “the state of transatlantic relations”, which completely left the British out of the discussion of the role of US allies in the Afghanistan and Libya operations, as well as the Iranian nuclear crisis. As I noted at the time:

It is a sad day when the most senior US official on Europe cannot even bring himself to acknowledge the vital role and huge sacrifices made by America’s closest partner on the battlefields of Afghanistan, while much of Europe barely lifts a finger in the war against the Taliban.

6. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office

It is hard to think of a more derogatory message to send to the British people within days of taking office than to fling a bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office and send it packing back to the British Embassy – not least as it was a loaned gift from Britain to the United States as a powerful display of solidarity in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Obviously, public diplomacy is not a concept that carries much weight in the current White House, and nor apparently is common sense. Three years on, the Churchill bust incident continues to embarrass the Obama White House, and remains a sad symbol of this administration’s contempt for the Special Relationship as well as one of the greatest figures in British history.

7. Placing a “boot on the throat” of BP

The Obama administration’s relentless campaign against Britain’s largest company in the wake of Gulf oil spill was one of the most damaging episodes in US-UK relations in recent years, with 64 percent of Britons agreeing at the time that the president’s handling of the issue had harmed the partnership between the two countries according to a YouGov poll. The White House’s aggressive trashing of BP, including a threat to put a “boot on the throat” of the oil giant, helped wipe out about half its share value, directly impacting the pensions of 18 million Britons. This led to a furious backlash in the British press, with even London mayor and long-time Obama admirer Boris Johnson demanding an end to “anti-British rhetoric, buck-passing and name-calling”.

8. DVDs for the Prime Minister

This insult has featured in all three editions, not least because it remains a powerful example of breathtaking diplomatic ineptitude that would have shamed the protocol office of an impoverished Third World country. Readers of this blog will know that I have been heavily critical of Gordon Brown’s premiership, but whatever one thinks of his third-rate leadership, Brown travelled abroad not as a private individual but as the leader of America’s closest ally. He represented 62 million Britons including the Armed Forces, as well as a huge amount of British trade and investment with the United States. He was, however, treated extremely shabbily when he visited the White House in March 2009, and sent home with an assortment of 25 DVDs ranging from Toy Story to The Wizard of Oz – which couldn’t even be played in the UK.

9. Insulting words from the State Department

The mocking views of a senior State Department official following Gordon Brown's embarrassing reception at the White House in March 2010 says it all:

There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

10. Confusing England with Great Britain

Perhaps less of an insult than an embarrassing indictment of Barack Obama’s Columbia and Harvard education, the president’s extraordinarily ignorant response to the storming of the British Embassy in Tehran last November, dubbing it the “English” Embassy, was the kind of elementary mistake that would have had America’s liberal press howling with derision had it been made a few years earlier by George W. Bush. As I wrote soon after the president’s gaffe:

It would be nice if the leader of the free world bothered to look at a map once in a while, or even paid a visit to the British Embassy in Washington, currently housing the Churchill bust that Mr. Obama unceremoniously threw out of the Oval Office soon after his inauguration… The White House will no doubt dismiss this latest faux pas by the president as a slip of the tongue, but it cannot disguise the fact that it has on many occasions treated Britain and other key allies with an air of disdain, and even contempt.


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djakeydd djakeydd:
Obomba insults everyone, except his handlers like maybe orca the whale - otherwise everyone is fair game, especially apparently the brits. Heres some gezers idea of the latest top 10..

1. Siding with Argentina over the Falkland Islands

This has remained the top insult for three years running. For sheer offensiveness it’s hard to beat the Obama administration’s brazen support for Argentina’s call for UN-brokered negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falklands, despite the fact that 255 British servicemen laid down their lives to restore British rule over the Islands after they were brutally invaded in 1982. In a March 2010 press conference in Buenos Aires with President Cristina Kirchner, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave Argentina a huge propaganda coup by emphatically backing the position of the Péronist regime.

In June 2011, Mrs Clinton slapped Britain in face again by signing on to an Organisation of American States (OAS) resolution calling for negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, a position which is completely unacceptable to Great Britain. To add insult to injury, the Obama administration has insisted on using the Argentine term “Malvinas” to describe the Islands in yet another sop to Buenos Aires.

In 2012, against a backdrop of growing aggression by Argentina, including efforts to blockade international vessels fishing in Falkland waters, the Obama administration continued to undercut Britain. In January and February the State Department again supported direct negotiations between Argentina and Britain, parroting the line taken by Buenos Aires.

2. Calling France America’s strongest ally

In January last year, President Obama held a joint press conference at the White House with his French counterpart, literally gushing with praise for Washington’s new-found Gallic friends, declaring: “We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.” As I noted at the time:

Quite what the French have done to merit this kind of high praise from the US president is difficult to fathom, and if the White House means what it says this represents an extraordinary sea change in US foreign policy. Nicolas Sarkozy is a distinctly more pro-American president than any of his predecessors, and has been an important ally over issues such as Iran and the War on Terror. But to suggest that Paris and not London is Washington’s strongest partner is simply ludicrous.

These kinds of presidential statements matter. No US president in modern times has described France as America’s closest ally, and such a remark is not only factually wrong but also insulting to Britain, not least coming just a few years after the French famously knifed Washington in the back over the war in Iraq.

3. Lecturing Britain on a federal Europe and undercutting British sovereignty

The Obama administration’s relentless and wrongheaded support for the creation of a federal Europe, from backing the Treaty of Lisbon to the EU Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), is a slap in the face for the principle of national sovereignty in Europe. While the Bush Administration was divided over Europe, the Obama team has been ardently euro-federalist. Hillary Clinton called the Lisbon Treaty “a major milestone in our world’s history”, and in an interview with The Irish Times in 2009 stated: “I believe [political integration is] in Europe’s interest and I believe that is in the United States’ interest because we want a strong Europe.” And Vice President Joe Biden has described Brussels as the “capital of the free world.”

Most insultingly, the Obama administration has sought to intervene in British policy towards the European project. The US Ambassador to London, Louis Susman, has warned Britain that “all key issues must run through Europe.” According to a report by The Parliament.com, in a private meeting with British MEPs at an event in the European Parliament in January 2011, Susman called for a stronger British commitment to the EU, emphatically warning against British withdrawal:

I want to stress that the UK needs to remain in the EU. The US does not want to see Britain’s role in the EU diminished in any way. The message I want to convey today is that we want to see a stronger EU, but also a stronger British participation within the EU. This is crucial if, together, we are going to meet all the global challenges facing us, including climate change and security.

4. Betraying Britain to appease Moscow over the New START Treaty

In February 2011, The Daily Telegraph broke a major story with damaging implications for the Special Relationship, revealing that Washington “secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty.” According to The Telegraph report:

Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week. Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal. Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US.

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

5. Airbrushing Britain from Europe

A striking feature of Obama administration speeches on Europe is the frequent omission altogether of Great Britain, as if it doesn’t even exist. A major recent example of this was an address in January 2012 by Philip H. Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, on “the state of transatlantic relations”, which completely left the British out of the discussion of the role of US allies in the Afghanistan and Libya operations, as well as the Iranian nuclear crisis. As I noted at the time:

It is a sad day when the most senior US official on Europe cannot even bring himself to acknowledge the vital role and huge sacrifices made by America’s closest partner on the battlefields of Afghanistan, while much of Europe barely lifts a finger in the war against the Taliban.

6. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office

It is hard to think of a more derogatory message to send to the British people within days of taking office than to fling a bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office and send it packing back to the British Embassy – not least as it was a loaned gift from Britain to the United States as a powerful display of solidarity in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Obviously, public diplomacy is not a concept that carries much weight in the current White House, and nor apparently is common sense. Three years on, the Churchill bust incident continues to embarrass the Obama White House, and remains a sad symbol of this administration’s contempt for the Special Relationship as well as one of the greatest figures in British history.

7. Placing a “boot on the throat” of BP

The Obama administration’s relentless campaign against Britain’s largest company in the wake of Gulf oil spill was one of the most damaging episodes in US-UK relations in recent years, with 64 percent of Britons agreeing at the time that the president’s handling of the issue had harmed the partnership between the two countries according to a YouGov poll. The White House’s aggressive trashing of BP, including a threat to put a “boot on the throat” of the oil giant, helped wipe out about half its share value, directly impacting the pensions of 18 million Britons. This led to a furious backlash in the British press, with even London mayor and long-time Obama admirer Boris Johnson demanding an end to “anti-British rhetoric, buck-passing and name-calling”.

8. DVDs for the Prime Minister

This insult has featured in all three editions, not least because it remains a powerful example of breathtaking diplomatic ineptitude that would have shamed the protocol office of an impoverished Third World country. Readers of this blog will know that I have been heavily critical of Gordon Brown’s premiership, but whatever one thinks of his third-rate leadership, Brown travelled abroad not as a private individual but as the leader of America’s closest ally. He represented 62 million Britons including the Armed Forces, as well as a huge amount of British trade and investment with the United States. He was, however, treated extremely shabbily when he visited the White House in March 2009, and sent home with an assortment of 25 DVDs ranging from Toy Story to The Wizard of Oz – which couldn’t even be played in the UK.

9. Insulting words from the State Department

The mocking views of a senior State Department official following Gordon Brown's embarrassing reception at the White House in March 2010 says it all:

There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

10. Confusing England with Great Britain

Perhaps less of an insult than an embarrassing indictment of Barack Obama’s Columbia and Harvard education, the president’s extraordinarily ignorant response to the storming of the British Embassy in Tehran last November, dubbing it the “English” Embassy, was the kind of elementary mistake that would have had America’s liberal press howling with derision had it been made a few years earlier by George W. Bush. As I wrote soon after the president’s gaffe:

It would be nice if the leader of the free world bothered to look at a map once in a while, or even paid a visit to the British Embassy in Washington, currently housing the Churchill bust that Mr. Obama unceremoniously threw out of the Oval Office soon after his inauguration… The White House will no doubt dismiss this latest faux pas by the president as a slip of the tongue, but it cannot disguise the fact that it has on many occasions treated Britain and other key allies with an air of disdain, and even contempt.

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GreenTiger GreenTiger:
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Just put the Royal Ghurka Regiment on the Island and you won't find an Argentinian grunt within a hundred miles of their own coast line little own the Falklands. :roll:

If the President of Argentina wants to increase her popularity why doesn't she just release a porn video?

I'd gladly appear with her. :D

She could then put her mouth to good use for a change.


And people wonder why women don't vote for conservatives.


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djakeydd djakeydd:
Obomba insults everyone, except his handlers like maybe orca the whale - otherwise everyone is fair game, especially apparently the brits. Heres some gezers idea of the latest top 10..


Excellent post! R=UP


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Bart has advised me a number of times that I am not the conservative I use to think I am but a moderate.

True I don't have a high opinion of the Argentine claim on the Falklands, nor on Her Excellency Madam President.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
djakeydd djakeydd:
Obomba insults everyone, except his handlers like maybe orca the whale - otherwise everyone is fair game, especially apparently the brits. Heres some gezers idea of the latest top 10..


Excellent post! R=UP

About sums him up.


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Britain has condemned an Argentine TV advert which shows an Argentina hockey star, who is to compete in this year's London Olympics, training in the Falkland Islands.

The advert, filmed without the knowing and permission of the Falkland Islands government, shows Fernando Zylberberg training in various locations around the British islands. At the end of the advert a caption appears on screen with the words 'To compete on English soil'. This is followed by another caption which reads 'We are training on Argentine soil'.

Disgracefully, the advert also shows the athlete training on a war memorial to the British military dead who died defending the islands after Argentina invaded them in 1982.

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'An absolute insult': Argentine Olympic hopeful Fernando Zylberberg is seen running 'step-ups' over the steps of the British Great War Memorial in the Falkland Islands


The advertisement was produced by the Buenos Aires wing of the advertising giant Young and Rubicam, a subsidiary of the WPP firm owned by British tycoon Sir Martin Sorrell.

Sir Martin said he was ‘appalled and embarrassed’ by the ‘totally unacceptable’ advert, and that apologies had been issued.

The advert was also condemned by Falklands War veteran Simon Weston, who has been left facially disfigured after he survived the bombing of the British ship Sir Galahad during the war 30 years ago.

However, Argentina's Ambassador to Britain has defended the controversial Olympics advertisement.

Ambassador Alicia Castro told Sky's Dermot Murnaghan on the Sky News breakfast show Murnaghan this morning that there had been a conflict over the islands for decades, and that it should be sorted out internationally.

But she insisted that there was nothing wrong with her government's Olympic advertisement.

She told Sky News: "Malvinas are Argentinian. I mean, the islands belong to Argentina, they are in our continental shelf so there's nothing wrong with an athlete training there.

"I don't really want to go into a small discussion, I would like to go into a broader discussion and the discussion is why can't we sit and talk?

"The international community is calling for a settlement of this conflict in a peaceful and permanent solution."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1u6hSySYN


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The islands are so small, they can't control their own borders ?


Oh well, so much for the Olympics being non political, I guess some
just can't help themselves...


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Disgraceful. The cynical can, and do, say a lot of bad about the Olympics but for the most part i think the world really has done a remarkable job of staying kinda sorta close to the original ideals. As close as it would be possible for us flawed mortals anyways.


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There's been a lot of talk about this and the 30th anniversary of the conflict in the UK. This was my first small war.

This war is seen as both the last good war and the last colonial war by the public, media and most historians. Until the conflict fades from living memory, the Brits will robustly defend the FI as UK territory.

The general opinion is that sovereignty isn’t even up for discussion for a generation or two.

If the Argies hadn’t invaded in 1982, there would probably be some form of shared sovereignty right now. A lot of defence resources go into maintaining the garrison in the FI, at a time when some pretty nasty cuts are being made to HM Forces. That’s how seriously the UK takes its last outpost of the Empire.

This isn’t just about the Islanders right to choose, it’s an Island we paid for in blood.

The Argies doing silly things like working out on the memorial to our dead in their Olympic ‘advert’ just refreshes the conflict in the mind of the current generation of Brits.

Pretty silly move by the Argies.


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