[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

Funny how you just glaze over the rest of his post, which is also quite true.

Gangsters in the East still have to do other stuff, because
its tough to make money on drugs, still quite expensive.

I guess we just can't let anything get in the way of your personal agenda,
even when it's wrong.......

What do you think my personal agenda is? Do you think I'm secretly a coca farmer in Mexico?

Prostitution and drugs are a huge revenue source for them. Very few people believe anything can be done to get rid of either, or are even bothered by their existence. If the gangsters move on to actual crimes after prohibition is over they won't have access to the same easy money, or the recruiting that they do now. The war on drugs is a complete and total failure as well as being a costly drain on resources that should be focused on actual crimes that have victims.

[herbie]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Is your ignorance a result of naïvety or are you doing some of your own product quality control? that must be some seriously wicked shit to cause that much impairment.

My shit is home grown.

Then concern yourself with what Ottawa's up to instead of Mexico. You're on their hit list.

[andyt]

Note that Calderon said drugs, not pot. By now I would guess the Mexican gangs make most of their money from harder drugs than pot. (Don't know for sure).

But Calderon is right - with that huge demand to the north of him, and with a corrupt society to begin with, there's not way he can get a handle on the problem. It needs to be solved on the demand side, not the supply side. I wonder how much corruption we have up here caused by drugs. We don't hear about it much, but with the huge profits to be made I'm sure it's happening and getting worse.

[CommanderSock]

herbie herbie:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Is your ignorance a result of naïvety or are you doing some of your own product quality control? that must be some seriously wicked shit to cause that much impairment.

My shit is home grown.

Then concern yourself with what Ottawa's up to instead of Mexico. You're on their hit list.

Harper won and he'll fuck us in whatever position he chooses to in the next 4 years. I wish we could just write a petition but the man doesn't care.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Agreed. Legalizing pot is a no brainer though I doubt we'd see a sudden decline in gang activity. It would allow enforcement resources to be focused on other things though. The fact that the US puts pressure on us not to do this is a profound annoyance.

So is the CPC crime bill which moves us in the wrong direction.

No, because the current policy is for enforcement.

Making it legal is a different matter that has, whether we wish to admit it or not, international consequences. Until we either have the political and economic mojo to absorb those consequence, we continue with enforcement.

[Gunnair]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

herbie herbie:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

My shit is home grown.

Then concern yourself with what Ottawa's up to instead of Mexico. You're on their hit list.

Harper won and he'll fuck us in whatever position he chooses to in the next 4 years. I wish we could just write a petition but the man doesn't care.

Yeah... that's it. Nailed it. He's just out to fuck those guys that are breaking the law.

Everyone else just calls that being a big meanie... or doing his job. One of the two.

[CommanderSock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yeah... that's it. Nailed it. He's just out to fuck those guys that are breaking the law.

Everyone else just calls that being a big meanie... or doing his job. One of the two.

Who pays for this?

[ShepherdsDog]

I highly doubt that the new laws are meant to deal with your half dozen plants meant for treating your 'glaucoma' , anymore than the current laws worry about small stills producing tiny batches of hooch. Parliament just enacts legislation, but it is local law that takes care of the enforcement of said laws. Don't think the cops are going to bother with major paperwork for someone who grows a couple plants for personal use.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I highly doubt that the new laws are meant to deal with your half dozen plants meant for treating your 'glaucoma' , anymore than the current laws worry about small stills producing tiny batches of hooch.

Actually, that's why the Ontario Supreme Court ruled the new law as unconstitutional in regards to marijuana. It completely failed to take into account those that grow it for medicinal purposes.

[DanSC]

I take it Mexico will be legalizing the drugs as well?

Furthermore, Mexico should legalize guns for the very same reason.

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

So because Mexico lacks the ability to properly enforce laws in their own country and prosecute the cartels, the US has to alter its laws to suit what best benefits Mexico?

Yeah, right. Calderon is in la-la land.

The U.S. should end prohibition because its in everyone's best interest to end the gangsters gravy train.

So I guess when prohibition ended all organized crime in the US did to?

Sorry but like the 30's these guys will just find other avenues of income which are as distasteful and destructive to society as rampant drug abuse.

[herbie]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I highly doubt that the new laws are meant to deal with your half dozen plants meant for treating your 'glaucoma' , anymore than the current laws worry about small stills producing tiny batches of hooch. Parliament just enacts legislation, but it is local law that takes care of the enforcement of said laws. Don't think the cops are going to bother with major paperwork for someone who grows a couple plants for personal use.

I highly doubt they're meant to be as well. But if you don't believe that within a couple months someone's gonna get nailed for having seven little week old sprouts instead of six, you're the fool.
We just had RCMP on tv this summer justifying kicking someone's house apart and charging her for growing one more plant than she was legally entitled to.
You want common sense when laws are made by idealogues with none whatsoever, enforced by officers with very little and tried by people with hardly more?
Good luck!

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So I guess when prohibition ended all organized crime in the US did to?

Sorry but like the 30's these guys will just find other avenues of income which are as distasteful and destructive to society as rampant drug abuse.

Prohibition hasn't ended. All crime wont end when prohibition does, but the resources that are wasted on it can be diverted to real crime. Other avenues as lucrative as drugs don't exist.

[Gunnair]

Well, in the end, whether you agree with the war on drugs or not, the fact is drugs are illegal, and creating, selling, and buying them is illegal. And this whole problem with drugs is really fueled by an extraordinary propensity to fulfill a very selfish desire to use drugs irrespective of the economic, political and social ills that are caused.

Using drugs is an illegal luxury, and users are quite happy to ignore the illegality of that luxury, which of course feeds organized crime, international terrorism, plus all the additional social ills that hang on the coat tails of that use. And who do they blame? Do they blame their own egotistical self indulgence?

Nope.

It's the government's fault.

So while they complain and push to change the law (which is fine) they continue to feed the worst elements of the international drug industry (which is not so fine) because of their narcissistic greed to fulfill oneself to the detriment of all others, all the while ducking their own personal responsibility and accountability.

It's always someone else's fault.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, in the end, whether you agree with the war on drugs or not, the fact is drugs are illegal, and creating, selling, and buying them is illegal. And this whole problem with drugs is really fueled by an extraordinary propensity to fulfill a very selfish desire to use drugs irrespective of the economic, political and social ills that are caused.

Using drugs is an illegal luxury, and users are quite happy to ignore the illegality of that luxury, which of course feeds organized crime, international terrorism, plus all the additional social ills that hang on the coat tails of that use. And who do they blame? Do they blame their own egotistical self indulgence?

Nope.

It's the government's fault.

So while they complain and push to change the law (which is fine) they continue to feed the worst elements of the international drug industry (which is not so fine) because of their narcissistic greed to fulfill oneself to the detriment of all others, all the while ducking their own personal responsibility and accountability.

It's always someone else's fault.

Felipe Calderon Felipe Calderon:

the high demand for illegal drugs in the U.S. was a "key issue" and was "the most important source of power of the criminals."

It makes no difference whose fault it is. Get the addicts into treatment instead of prison, and take the power away from the gangsters there, and the gangsters here.