[Khar]

$1:

No, but not all religions need to believe that in order to make the point about why one group would care what another group believes. The point is that religious belief can cloud rational thought.

We're discussing this on the internet. I'm sure we can find some stupid things atheists have said too. Personally, I feel atheism shares a lot of pitfalls which damages "rational thought" as some people contend other religions contain, but this is a personal belief.

Lots of things can cloud rational thought. Entire nations have given rise to irrational, non-religious thought which were damaging. If anything, this is evidence that people will always try to change how others think, no matter the level of indifference they face.

[Lemmy]

Thanos Thanos:

I'll try harder to differentiate between the fundamentalists that I regard as a genuine threat to everyone's liberty. I'm not attempting to label every person of faith as a theo-fascist.

That's an aweful libertarian position for someone that equates libertarianism with the evils of right-wing conservatism.

[jason700]

Would it not have been just as effective to donate $20000 to a food bank or an important charity instead of making a billboard?

[The_Doctor]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Aren't you a Buddist?

Studding Buddhism, you can be Atheist and Buddhist. I just love the philosophy part of Buddhism. Buddhism does not have any gods or spirits (with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism). While mediating at the Bodhi tree the Buddha was tempted by a daemon. Some teachers believe they were really spirits, but most are starting to believe they might be part of Buddha's mind.

http://www.amazon.com/Confession-Buddhi ... 0385527063

Also the Buddha taught that we are to question nature and his teachings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... eism.shtml
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/06/bg ... t-atheist/

[andyt]

The_Doctor The_Doctor:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Aren't you a Buddist?

Studding Buddhism, you can be Atheist and Buddhist. I just love the philosophy part of Buddhism. Buddhism does not have any gods or spirits (with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism). While mediating at the Bodhi tree the Buddha was tempted by a daemon. Some teachers believe they were really spirits, but most are starting to believe they might be part of Buddha's mind.

http://www.amazon.com/Confession-Buddhi ... 0385527063

Also the Buddha taught that we are to question nature and his teachings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... eism.shtml
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/06/bg ... t-atheist/

Tibetan Buddhism has incorporated the Bon shamanistic religion that was present before Buddhism. But in no version of Buddhism is there a creator God, Tibetans aren't going to argue with you if you don't believe in the various dieties and spirits. They can be just as easily seen as manifestations of mind, as Mara and his five daughters (five senses) with which he tempted Siddartha.

[Gunnair]

The_Doctor The_Doctor:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Aren't you a Buddist?

Studding Buddhism, you can be Atheist and Buddhist. I just love the philosophy part of Buddhism. Buddhism does not have any gods or spirits (with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism). While mediating at the Bodhi tree the Buddha was tempted by a daemon. Some teachers believe they were really spirits, but most are starting to believe they might be part of Buddha's mind.

http://www.amazon.com/Confession-Buddhi ... 0385527063

Also the Buddha taught that we are to question nature and his teachings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... eism.shtml
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/06/bg ... t-atheist/

I'm more interested, if you are a Buddhist, in your beliefs.

Do you subscribe to:

Prajna?

Sila?

Samadhi?

Samsara?

The Four Noble Truths?

Karma and Rebirth?

(The five or six realms of rebirth and the 31 planes of existence?)

Amongst the many many parts of Buddhism.

If you do, you may want to consider shutting the fuck up on banging on other believers of religion lest you desire endless attention asking you to provide demonstrable proof of the 31 planes of existence.

[The_Doctor]

Gunnair Gunnair:

The_Doctor The_Doctor:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Aren't you a Buddist?

Studding Buddhism, you can be Atheist and Buddhist. I just love the philosophy part of Buddhism. Buddhism does not have any gods or spirits (with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism). While mediating at the Bodhi tree the Buddha was tempted by a daemon. Some teachers believe they were really spirits, but most are starting to believe they might be part of Buddha's mind.

http://www.amazon.com/Confession-Buddhi ... 0385527063

Also the Buddha taught that we are to question nature and his teachings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... eism.shtml
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/06/bg ... t-atheist/

I'm more interested, if you are a Buddhist, in your beliefs.

Do you subscribe to:

Prajna?

Sila?

Samadhi?

Samsara?

The Four Noble Truths?

Karma and Rebirth?

(The five or six realms of rebirth and the 31 planes of existence?)

Amongst the many many parts of Buddhism.

If you do, you may want to consider shutting the fuck up on banging on other believers of religion lest you desire endless attention asking you to provide demonstrable proof of the 31 planes of existence.

Samadhi and Karma (the part of idea of deeds of the past affects the future) and Rebirth. I am still not sure of. There are many Buddhists who don't share that part. I support the Four Noble Truths. The HH the Dalai Lama wrote that if you live by the four noble truths. You can much value in your life and becoming a greater Buddhist.

Also note Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion and non theists. I object too religious who support unscientific ideals and don't support reason.

Bad Quality but a good watch: Carl Sagan interviews HH Dalai Lama.


If science does say Karma and rebirth does not happen here is the evidence too support it. Than Buddhists should not follow those ideals.

Also note you don't see that many atheists attacking Buddhism and some eastern philosophies.

"And I shall not be concerned at all with other religions such as Buddhism or Confucianism. Indeed, there is something to be said for treating these not as religions at all bust as ethical systems or philosophies." - The God Deluison pg 59 written by Richard Dawkins.

Also note it's local cultures who turned it into a religion. Like for example in the book "The God Delusion" in the note section. It was about a woman who has a dieing child and observer watching it. The Observer asked: "Why are not helping him?" The Mother: "No need to worry he will be rebirth in a great life." I can not say that is the whole history of the boy is there, but if he is suffering take him to a doctor to be health. That is the goal of the doctor is to heal others and end suffering. If the boy ran out of options then death is something he probably accepted. If I was suffering and doctors can not find anyway to heal me and I was close to dieing. I would accept death and not be afraid. It is because I knew I will be reborn? Nope. Buddha guide be that death is something that we must accept.

[andyt]

If there is no continuity of mind after death, Buddhism is in big trouble - it doesn't really make sense. Without rebirth, you're just as fucked under Buddhism as you are under the theistic religions - trying desperately to get it right in one lifetime, with most being condemned to extinguishment. Maybe better than the everlasting torment that the theists come up with I guess.

But then, HH was pointing to the idea that consciousness creates the material universe. As is this guy: http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/clearer.light.pdf "The universe is entirely mental."

[Guy_Fawkes]

jason700 jason700:

Would it not have been just as effective to donate $20000 to a food bank or an important charity instead of making a billboard?

Yes, and you could do the same with the money you spend on your internet connection
If these people want to promote their view why should we stop them.

[Thanos]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Thanos Thanos:

I'll try harder to differentiate between the fundamentalists that I regard as a genuine threat to everyone's liberty. I'm not attempting to label every person of faith as a theo-fascist.

That's an aweful libertarian position for someone that equates libertarianism with the evils of right-wing conservatism.

Live and let live hasn't totally died out yet. The world's not going to get better unless we finally develop the courage to leave each other alone.

Libertarians really only believe in a freedom for themselves that lets them remain unmolested by the government while they're busy with all their financial scams and gimmicks. The fact that they're so cozy right now with the hardcore theocratic social conservative element in the GOP shows that they really don't have any problems with selling out the rights and liberties of others. "Hey, leave me alone as I engage in my freedom to sell as many crooked mortgages as I want to all the suckers I can find (it's all their fault anyway, they should have known better), but you're damn right that I want all the local homosexuals regulated and policed out of existence". It's that sort of thinking that's the main reason why 'libertarian' is a dirty word IMO.

[Gunnair]

The_Doctor wrote:]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm more interested, if you are a Buddhist, in your beliefs.

Do you subscribe to:

Prajna?

Sila?

Samadhi?

Samsara?

The Four Noble Truths?

Karma and Rebirth?

(The five or six realms of rebirth and the 31 planes of existence?)

Amongst the many many parts of Buddhism.

If you do, you may want to consider shutting the fuck up on banging on other believers of religion lest you desire endless attention asking you to provide demonstrable proof of the 31 planes of existence.

$1:

Samadhi and Karma (the part of idea of deeds of the past affects the future) and Rebirth. I am still not sure of.

Why not. They appear to be fairly important segments of Buddhism.

$1:

There are many Buddhists who don't share that part. I support the Four Noble Truths. The HH the Dalai Lama wrote that if you live by the four noble truths. You can much value in your life and becoming a greater Buddhist.

Why?

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Also note Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion and non theists. I object too religious who support unscientific ideals and don't support reason.

It appears to be considered both. As far as the ideals go, please, enlighten me.... ya know, the science behind Buddhist ideals. Where's the reason behind Buddhism?

$1:

If science does say Karma and rebirth does not happen here is the evidence too support it. Than Buddhists should not follow those ideals.

Who the fuck are you, a rookie Buddhist in training, telling Buddhists what's good and bad about their religion/philosophy?

$1:

Also note you don't see that many atheists attacking Buddhism and some eastern philosophies.

No, that's because they're busy with their other favourite whipping boys.

$1:

"And I shall not be concerned at all with other religions such as Buddhism or Confucianism. Indeed, there is something to be said for treating these not as religions at all bust as ethical systems or philosophies." - The God Deluison pg 59 written by Richard Dawkins.

Can you not post a reply without quoting Dawkins? Really?

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Also note it's local cultures who turned it into a religion.

You just finished telling me it's not a religion. Make up your mind. Is it or isn't it? If it is, please, show you aren't a complete fucking hypocrite, and lay on your ire for those Buddhists that believe in Karma and Rebirth.

I'm waiting...

[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

Live and let live hasn't totally died out yet. The world's not going to get better unless we finally develop the courage to leave each other alone.

Sorry, I could use some clarification on how you believe you then have the right to tell a woman she can't willingly rent her body for sex?

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

jason700 jason700:

Would it not have been just as effective to donate $20000 to a food bank or an important charity instead of making a billboard?

Yes, and you could do the same with the money you spend on your internet connection
If these people want to promote their view why should we stop them.

Good question. Why doesn't that apply to religious folk?

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

jason700 jason700:

Would it not have been just as effective to donate $20000 to a food bank or an important charity instead of making a billboard?

Yes, and you could do the same with the money you spend on your internet connection
If these people want to promote their view why should we stop them.

Good question. Why doesn't that apply to religious folk?

Who's stopping them - this topic is full of people giving examples of the religious proseltyzing. And let em, just don't cavail when the atheists do the same thing. And don't do it in a way that implies government preference for one religion over another, or religion over non-religion.

[Thanos]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Thanos Thanos:

Live and let live hasn't totally died out yet. The world's not going to get better unless we finally develop the courage to leave each other alone.

Sorry, I could use some clarification on how you believe you then have the right to tell a woman she can't willingly rent her body for sex?

The government and society should always have a clear interest is not allowing activities that overwhelmingly result in the destruction of human life and dignity. The anti-libertarian viewpoint can't view professional whoredom that is predominantly controlled by organized crime and vicious pimps as a positive any more than it can allow an anarcho-capitalist to dump untreated industrial poison into watersheds and aquifers that are a neccessity for everyone.

'Live and let live' isn't an open license for destructive greed and degeneracy. Nor is it a requirement that a philosophy of 'leaving each other alone' means that criminal activity becomes suddenly somehow magically endowed with a veneer of legality and normalcy and therefore must receive universal public approval and endorsement. Anyone who says otherwise is just another faux purist (like the libertarians are) intent on defending a failed theory to the very bitterest of ends. Or they're someone who simply refuses to ever connect a negative activity with any negative consequences. Or, far more likely, they're just enjoying being an ignorant dick.