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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:26 pm
 


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Being a sports celebrity had nothing to do with the discharge :roll:


Just the opposite. Had he not been a sports celebrity, this never would have seen the inside of a courtroom.


Disagree, you wouldn't have heard about it but it still would have went to court.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:54 pm
 


Even though I was really, really, REALLY SORRY, and I couldn't remember what I had done,( I was very drunk at the time/s) I guess that defense didn't work for me because my charges weren't minor charges like groping a child!!! :evil:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:22 pm
 


Ah, sorry, she was 16. According to that other thread, that is NOT a child!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:40 pm
 


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Ah, sorry, she was 16. According to that other thread, that is NOT a child!



We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one B. A 16 yr old is not yet legally or mentally/emotionally mature enough to consent to such behaviour when it involves a person of authority! eg; teacher/student,

IMO, still a child.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:46 pm
 


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:49 pm
 


Yogi Yogi:
Brenda Brenda:
Ah, sorry, she was 16. According to that other thread, that is NOT a child!



We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one B. A 16 yr old is not yet legally or mentally/emotionally mature enough to consent to such behaviour when it involves a person of authority! eg; teacher/student,

IMO, still a child.

So if it is a 42 year old not person of authority, they are? Bull.

IMO, they are both still children.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:04 pm
 


Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...





PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:06 pm
 


Annihilator Annihilator:
Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...


So if somebody did the same thing to your daughter would you have the same opinion?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:08 pm
 


Annihilator Annihilator:
Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...

That is why I don't get that they didnt keep it quiet...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:12 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Yogi Yogi:
Brenda Brenda:
Ah, sorry, she was 16. According to that other thread, that is NOT a child!



We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one B. A 16 yr old is not yet legally or mentally/emotionally mature enough to consent to such behaviour when it involves a person of authority! eg; teacher/student,

IMO, still a child.

So if it is a 42 year old not person of authority, they are? Bull.

IMO, they are both still children.


I certainly agree with you that they are both (14-16) still children, but the law, it seems, does not! We have the liberal party of canada to thank for that!

On the 'bull' comment,You lose!

http://www.ageofconsent.com/canada/htm


1) Where an accused is charged with an offence under section 151 or 152 or subsection 153(1), 160(3), or 173(2), or is charged with an offence under section 271, 272 or 273 in respect of a complainant under the age of fourteen years, it is not a defence that the complainant consented to the activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge.



Age of Consent for Sexual Activity

Are you confused about how old someone has to be before they can consent to sexual activity in Canada? Although the criminal law has been reformed to remove any differences between the ages of consent for males and females and between homosexual and heterosexual sex, the age of consent varies depending on what you are doing and who you are doing it with.

If you are 18 years of age you can consent to all lawful sexual activity.

You can consent to sexual activity if you are 14 to 17 years of age as long as:

no relationship of trust, authority, or dependency exists;
there is no payment or offer of payment for sex;
there is no anal sex (unless you are in a legal, heterosexual marriage with the other person).
Do not even think about having sex if you or your partner are under 14! The law prohibits touching or inviting, counselling or inciting a person under 14 to touch, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, any part of the body for a sexual purpose. As well, someone can be convicted of sexual assault of a person between 14 and under 18 if they are in a position of trust or authority or dependency toward the person between 14 and 18 (even if the accused is also under 18).

Whether a relationship of trust, authority or dependency exists depends on each situation and has been interpreted by the courts very broadly. For example, it was found to exist in one case where a man lived in the same apartment as a 14 year old girl and her family and he was treated by them as a member of the family. In another case a 14 year old boy of limited mental capacity "taught" a 16 year old boy of far more severely limited mental capacity everything he knew about sex. The law presumes there is exploitation of a young person if an accused is in a position of trust or authority, even if the sexual activity is truly consensual.

The Criminal Codes states it is not a defence that an accused believed that a complainant was 18 years of age or more at the time the offence was alleged to have been committed unless the accused took all reasonable steps to ascertain the age of the complainant. What "reasonable steps" are is not defined. Does this mean you should be requesting two pieces of picture ID and a sworn declaration? Certainly just to say that someone looked like they were 18 will not likely cut it with a judge.

Neither the Criminal Code nor case law defines "anal intercourse". The Code states that "sexual intercourse is complete on penetration to even the slightest degree, notwithstanding that seed is not emitted." The Criminal Code does not stipulate that penetration must be by the penis. There is no case law on whether penetration of the anus by something other than a penis constitutes "anal intercourse".

Ironically, a challenge to the constitutionality of the anal intercourse provisions of the Code came from a heterosexual male charged with engaging in anal intercourse with a 13 year old female complainant. The accused argued there was no rational basis for distinguishing anal intercourse from other forms of consensual sexual activity and that the provisions discriminated against homosexuality (even though he was heterosexual). The accused’s application was allowed and the defence of consent was read into the provisions and the accused was acquitted. Although the accused argued the provision had a disproportionate effect on gay men by making it a crime for young gay males to engage in a primary mode of sexual intercourse, when young heterosexual males could engage in their primary mode of sexual intercourse, namely vaginal intercourse, the trial court found it unnecessary to consider these equality rights arguments as it found on a different section of the Charter. However, one of the judges in the Ontario Court of Appeal who upheld the decision did find that it was discriminatory on sexual orientation and contrary to the Charter.

Until either the federal government amends the Code or the Supreme Court of Canada rules on the issue, gay men are safer to assume the provisions on anal intercourse apply and not engage in anal intercourse if they or their partner are under 18.

Rob Hughes is a partner at Smith and Hughes and practices immigration law. He is Chair of the Immigration Committee of the Lesbian and Gay Rights Section of the B.C. Branch of the Canadian Bar Association.





Sources: http://canada.justice.gc.ca


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:26 pm
 


gigs gigs:
Annihilator Annihilator:
Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...


So if somebody did the same thing to your daughter would you have the same opinion?

In this case that is a hard one. I would think that the parents of this teen know all of the details of this act. The teen and the parents as a unit wish for Tillman not to lose his job or be given a non-contact order. By that I would think that the parents of this 16 year old side more with Annihilator than you. I would believe that it was the position of the parents and the victim that helped to warrant the absolute discharge of the act.

We don't know all of the details and never will, I would base that this was very minor on the fact that the victim and her parents hold that position. So to the question "if that was your daughter” obviously there are parents here of the actual victim that don't follow your stance on the situation.

My opinion on this is just based on the facts presented. We don't know the entire story but the people that do seem to want this to go away without Tillman being destroyed professionally or as a person. I am in no way defending him, just trying to get to the facts of this without knowing the entire story.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:26 pm
 


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From the evidence presented in court, how in God's name can the act this man admitted to performing be called "Sexual Assault." It is absolutely just that he received an absolute discharge. Imagine having a lifelong criminal record for this petty embarrassment to a young girl? There is a modern obsession (not just in Canada, but in U.S. and Britain too) with criminalizing what for hundreds (thousands!!) of years has simply been called 'stupid', 'crude', or 'rude' behaviour. I think it is accurate, and enough, to say that the man behaved like a jerk (maybe he IS a jerk?), but if this is sexual assault, what the hell do you call ripping someone's clothes off and forcibly raping her/him? Where is the law's sense of proportion?
There is a madness afoot in democracies, almost a hysteria regarding any imagined offense to the person, when even a touch can be called an 'Assault.' Thank heaven the judge saw it for what it is --a petty incident, if obnoxious, but hardly worthy of criminal punishment.


A touch is a touch..a dry hump is a sexual assault.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:28 pm
 


gigs gigs:
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Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...


So if somebody did the same thing to your daughter would you have the same opinion?



I would be pissed, but is it worthy of sending him to jail or spreading the word around the country?

Absolutely not.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:29 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Annihilator Annihilator:
Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...

That is why I don't get that they didnt keep it quiet...

That is the part I don't understand either. There is more to this behind closed doors. It was a big enough issue to tell police at one point and then they decided they wanted nothing to do with it and support Tillman. It is a bizarre situation. It is not like they could have been paid of IMO, there isn't that much money in the CFL.





PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:30 pm
 


Annihilator Annihilator:
gigs gigs:
Annihilator Annihilator:
Hum, we're making a storm about not much here.

Lemmy described the act that the guy as commited. It's not much, really not much...


So if somebody did the same thing to your daughter would you have the same opinion?



I would be pissed, but is it worthy of sending him to jail or spreading the word around the country?

Absolutely not.



Who said jail? he does deserve a criminal record and a few hours of counseling is probably a good idea.


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