[romanP]

Gunnair Gunnair:

romanP romanP:

You can't cure an addict. Ask any smoker that has "quit." All it would take is one cigarette and they'd be chainsmoking all over again.

Are you an ex-smoker?

No, why do you ask?

[romanP]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

romanP romanP:

You can't cure an addict. Ask any smoker that has "quit." All it would take is one cigarette and they'd be chainsmoking all over again.

I've got to disagree with this statement. I've quit a number of times before finally quitting for good some 2 years ago. On occasion I had smoked when drinking too much but come the next morning felt no urge to continue. In fact this is how my mouth felt

Now I can go out and have a few pops completely smoke free.

Addiction can be beat but only if the addicted truly want to beat it.

Then you aren't an addict, you had a habit that was difficult to quit. Those who are truly addicted cannot help themselves. I have met many people who have said that they quit smoking, and that if they go anywhere near where people are smoking, the temptation to start again is almost uncontrollable.

[TattoodGirl]

I just read back....Safe injection sites DO NOT hand out drugs and they are effective in the first line of getting someone the help and support they may want, after a supportive relationship has been built with a client.

Handing out prescription Heroin is completely different. Sure it will reduce crime but it keeps that addiction going and the real human being is still lost inside an addiction. IMO, it is a cheaper alternative, for the government, than Detox, treatment and ongoing support of people living with addiction. Its bullshit.

[TattoodGirl]

romanP romanP:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

romanP romanP:

You can't cure an addict. Ask any smoker that has "quit." All it would take is one cigarette and they'd be chainsmoking all over again.

I've got to disagree with this statement. I've quit a number of times before finally quitting for good some 2 years ago. On occasion I had smoked when drinking too much but come the next morning felt no urge to continue. In fact this is how my mouth felt

Now I can go out and have a few pops completely smoke free.

Addiction can be beat but only if the addicted truly want to beat it.

Then you aren't an addict, you had a habit that was difficult to quit. Those who are truly addicted cannot help themselves. I have met many people who have said that they quit smoking, and that if they go anywhere near where people are smoking, the temptation to start again is almost uncontrollable.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! an addict cannot help themselves??

[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

Gunnair Gunnair:

romanP romanP:

You can't cure an addict. Ask any smoker that has "quit." All it would take is one cigarette and they'd be chainsmoking all over again.

Are you an ex-smoker?

No, why do you ask?

Just wanted to know if you knew what you were talking about.

Being an ex-smoker, I can say with all honesty that even if I chose to have a cigarette, it would not mean I'd be smoking again.

[novachick]

romanP romanP:

novachick novachick:

I lost a friend a year ago March to drug addiction. Her death was a result of an overdose of crack ( injected ) and methadone. So while one part of me says NO DAMN WAY , why as a tax payer should I pay for this. Another part of me that knows my friend the addict. Knows the likely hood of them stopping in minimal and pills versus injecting will save many lives. That person is mother/father, son/daughter, friend. To those that don't know them they only see The Addict. To the ones that love them , they see the good person , the loving mom, trapped inside the storm.

If your friend had had access to a safe injection clinic, she might still be alive. Whether it's pills or needles, having a trained medical professional around while you're overdosing will far more likely save your life than if it happens in an alley beside a dumpster, or on your couch.

I strongly doubt that, I speak only for her case alone. I'm sure safe injection clinics will save lives, but only the lives of those that will use them. I'm not even sure they are frequented by crack users, perhaps Tatt could advise me on this. All I know is it was the injection of crack vs smoking it compiled with methadone she purchased on the street that killed her.

[TattoodGirl]

novachick novachick:

romanP romanP:

novachick novachick:

I lost a friend a year ago March to drug addiction. Her death was a result of an overdose of crack ( injected ) and methadone. So while one part of me says NO DAMN WAY , why as a tax payer should I pay for this. Another part of me that knows my friend the addict. Knows the likely hood of them stopping in minimal and pills versus injecting will save many lives. That person is mother/father, son/daughter, friend. To those that don't know them they only see The Addict. To the ones that love them , they see the good person , the loving mom, trapped inside the storm.

If your friend had had access to a safe injection clinic, she might still be alive. Whether it's pills or needles, having a trained medical professional around while you're overdosing will far more likely save your life than if it happens in an alley beside a dumpster, or on your couch.

I strongly doubt that, I speak only for her case alone. I'm sure safe injection clinics will save lives, but only the lives of those that will use them. I'm not even sure they are frequented by crack users, perhaps Tatt could advise me on this. All I know is it was the injection of crack vs smoking it compiled with methadone she purchased on the street that killed her.

Only IV users go there, Nova, Insite has been very effective in fast tracking to services and preventing and attending OD's. Unfortunately, not everyone is at that place for treatment...the demons are too deep and strong. My twin went that way too, in an alley in the DTES alone...Insite wasnt around then. Cant say whether or not Insite would have saved her life but it is a better alternative to a back alley.

What I ask people is this....If your child was addicted and in one hand I held a clean needle and support and in the other I held a dirty rig and a variety of sure deaths...which would you choose for your child?

...But this isnt about Insite and nor should it be confused with...as I stated before. I do not support this when there are alternatives.

[danimal]

There's a great idea.

[novachick]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Only IV users go there, Nova, Insite has been very effective in fast tracking to services and preventing and attending OD's. Unfortunately, not everyone is at that place for treatment...the demons are too deep and strong. My twin went that way too, in an alley in the DTES alone...Insite wasnt around then. Cant say whether or not Insite would have saved her life but it is a better alternative to a back alley.

What I ask people is this....If your child was addicted and in one hand I held a clean needle and support and in the other I held a dirty rig and a variety of sure deaths...which would you choose for your child?

...But this isnt about Insite and nor should it be confused with...as I stated before. I do not support this when there are alternatives.

Thank you for the answer Tatt. In answer to your question, yes I support safe injection sites. Also like you I don't support the handing out of heroin by government.

[TattoodGirl]

novachick novachick:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Only IV users go there, Nova, Insite has been very effective in fast tracking to services and preventing and attending OD's. Unfortunately, not everyone is at that place for treatment...the demons are too deep and strong. My twin went that way too, in an alley in the DTES alone...Insite wasnt around then. Cant say whether or not Insite would have saved her life but it is a better alternative to a back alley.

What I ask people is this....If your child was addicted and in one hand I held a clean needle and support and in the other I held a dirty rig and a variety of sure deaths...which would you choose for your child?

...But this isnt about Insite and nor should it be confused with...as I stated before. I do not support this when there are alternatives.

Thank you for the answer Tatt. In answer to your question, yes I support safe injection sites. Also like you I don't support the handing out of heroin by government.

You are welcome Nova...anytime

[romanP]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

romanP romanP:

Then you aren't an addict, you had a habit that was difficult to quit. Those who are truly addicted cannot help themselves. I have met many people who have said that they quit smoking, and that if they go anywhere near where people are smoking, the temptation to start again is almost uncontrollable.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! an addict cannot help themselves??

Do you have any evidence to contrary?

[poquas]

Less than 1% of addicts (excluding smokers) are able to quit their particular addiction without help. Safe injection sites, methadone treatments, etc. do nothing to break the addiction, and in my opinion does nothing to resolve the problem. Third party intervention involving abstinence is the only way to guarantee a break in the intake of the particular substance and psychological help is required to enable the person addicted to understand why they are drawn to the particular lifestyle that promotes the particular addiction. Even with all that the recidivism rate is extremely high.

[TattoodGirl]

romanP romanP:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

romanP romanP:

Then you aren't an addict, you had a habit that was difficult to quit. Those who are truly addicted cannot help themselves. I have met many people who have said that they quit smoking, and that if they go anywhere near where people are smoking, the temptation to start again is almost uncontrollable.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! an addict cannot help themselves??

Do you have any evidence to contrary?

I work in the field and I am an ex-addict. Its called reaching out, trusting in others and oneself...that is how to help oneself.

Now answer the question as to how you think an addict cant help themselves?

[Yogi]

Prescription. NO!

Heroin. NO!

A substitute administered in a controlled environment.Yes!

On-going support for anyone who wants to get clean should be mandatory of society. The key words being, wants to get clean. Until then, every dose administered prevents one crime in the community.

***I'm sure it would surprise you to know that there are actually some 'ex' addicts right here at CKA who have actually successfully helped themselves???*** LEARN of which you speak!:roll:

[raydan]

That's the important part, as with ANY addiction, you need to WANT to stop.
And not only that, you need to stop for all the right reasons.

Why would a drug addict want to stop?... costs, health, it messing with family life and/or work.

But before the addict says he/she wants to stop because it's an ADDICTION and it messes with their minds, he's not ready.

I was never a big consumer but I've seen what a drug addiction can do.
When I was 18/19, I went out with a girl who had a problem.
Broke up with her because I realized at one point that it was as if I was going out with 2 different girls. Really loved the girl, but really hated the high girl.