[Chumley]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Chumley Chumley:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

But will this change anything except for one student? I doubt it.

It might make a difference if more students had access to the legal muscle that you have. Perhaps your friends should advertise their services in universities.

Ironically, I expect most college students would not avail themselves of these gents because the barristers in question are Christians.

http://www.pacificjustice.org/

Sad but true.

[Zipperfish]

Wish I'd called you back '90! Could have used the help.

[Dayseed]

How does a bastion of learning like Queen's allow this sort of rot to happen? Nobody is well-served by roving bands of anti-retard police (oh, the irony of THAT!) nor does an over-active Human Rights Star Chamber endear Queen's to parents deciding where to send TEENAGERS. Uh-ohes! Teens are going to say mean things to one another? Next you're going to tell me they'll drink beer, smoke up and fuck a whole lot.

Sorry Queen's, but teens aren't going to live their lives like they're in a senior's knitting circle.

[HyperionTheEvil]

You'd almost think someone was questioning religion

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Anyone that's been to university knows what happens to some first-year students when they're actually introduced to real knowledge - they become self-righteous and smug. Social Science students can be the worse (it's only in the later years, you are humbled and learn to respect the intellectual method).

First year Psych students All trying to psycho anal lies everyone.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Dayseed Dayseed:

How does a bastion of learning like Queen's allow this sort of rot to happen? Nobody is well-served by roving bands of anti-retard police (oh, the irony of THAT!) nor does an over-active Human Rights Star Chamber endear Queen's to parents deciding where to send TEENAGERS. Uh-ohes! Teens are going to say mean things to one another? Next you're going to tell me they'll drink beer, smoke up and fuck a whole lot.

Sorry Queen's, but teens aren't going to live their lives like they're in a senior's knitting circle.

At it's source it a decision to take leave of reason, the intellectual process of question and answer for the search of proof. In favour of a more comforatable psycholgical idea that some ideas are better not talked about because it might offend someone.

It's common enough in society, the extra special flavour is that Queen's seems to have it's own private force of Chekists running around listening in on private conversation and then true to colour, denouncing people and settting them up for a poltically correct trial.

[Axeman]

Funny, isn't it, that all the crazy controversy started when Ontario got rid of the OAC (or grade 13) year of highschool? See what happens when you send 17 and 18 year-olds off to resisdence with daddy's VISA?

[Unsound]

Considering that's the normal age for students to enter uni in most of the rest of the country, I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

[Tricks]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

Anyone that's been to university knows what happens to some first-year students when they're actually introduced to real knowledge - they become self-righteous and smug. Social Science students can be the worse (it's only in the later years, you are humbled and learn to respect the intellectual method).

First year Psych students All trying to psycho anal lies everyone.

Oh fuck off

[Tricks]

Axeman Axeman:

Funny, isn't it, that all the crazy controversy started when Ontario got rid of the OAC (or grade 13) year of highschool? See what happens when you send 17 and 18 year-olds off to resisdence with daddy's VISA?

Except getting rid of OAC helped prepare them for University better than we were currently doing.

[Axeman]

Unsound Unsound:

Considering that's the normal age for students to enter uni in most of the rest of the country, I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

Just that the Queen's homecomings got a lot worse when younger people started being there. We weren't talking about the rest of the country, we were talking about Queen's.

[Axeman]

Tricks Tricks:

Axeman Axeman:

Funny, isn't it, that all the crazy controversy started when Ontario got rid of the OAC (or grade 13) year of highschool? See what happens when you send 17 and 18 year-olds off to resisdence with daddy's VISA?

Except getting rid of OAC helped prepare them for University better than we were currently doing.

Okay, THAT you need to back up with some research, cause you can't SERIOUSLY believe that someone with a year's less schooling (researching, writing, math skills, etc) and a year's less maturity is better prepared for post-secondary education.

[Mustang1]

Tricks Tricks:

Axeman Axeman:

Funny, isn't it, that all the crazy controversy started when Ontario got rid of the OAC (or grade 13) year of highschool? See what happens when you send 17 and 18 year-olds off to resisdence with daddy's VISA?

Except getting rid of OAC helped prepare them for University better than we were currently doing.

Yeah, gotta' disagree - i took OAC and there's absolutely NO way an extra year of reading, writing, critical thinking skills and maturity didn't help. Even universities will tell you that basic skills have diminished (not that i'm convinced there's a true correlation) in the last couple of years (especially essay writing)

[Axeman]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Tricks Tricks:

Axeman Axeman:

Funny, isn't it, that all the crazy controversy started when Ontario got rid of the OAC (or grade 13) year of highschool? See what happens when you send 17 and 18 year-olds off to resisdence with daddy's VISA?

Except getting rid of OAC helped prepare them for University better than we were currently doing.

Yeah, gotta' disagree - i took OAC and there's absolutely NO way an extra year of reading, writing, critical thinking skills and maturity didn't help. Even universities will tell you that basic skills have diminished (not that i'm convinced there's a true correlation) in the last couple of years (especially essay writing)

And I was on the opposite side of the coin. I was the last class of the old Grade 13, before OACs, but I skipped a grade in public school and have a November birthday. So, I started university at 17 and my first year was spent mostly partying because I wasn't mature enough yet.

I believe that you're on the money, in that research and essay writing is the biggest area where kids need extra practise. For my grade 13 geography class, we had to write a paper on a Canadian city. I worked really hard on mine and when I got it back and got 70% on it, I was pissed. I tossed the thing away and when I was clearing crap out of my parents home after my 3rd year of university, I came across the essay and re-read it. After, I wondered how the hell I ever got 70% for such a piece of crap. Researching and writing academic papers takes more than intelligence...it takes PRACTISE.

[daTerminehtor]

We need only look into a mirror.

$1:

This is extremism and social engineering run amok - nothing more.

$1:

These students have big ideas as to what's right and wrong but lack the maturity to keep things in perspective. They're so eager to raise a stink about anything.

and

$1:

These students have no idea as to what is "right" and "wrong" - they're intellectual peons, afraid of discourse and dissension and they'll resort to censorship...

For years 'schools' and teachers have replaced parents. It was parents who passed on their values and a sense of whats right and whats wrong. Its not been such for a very long time and we are simply (and have been for quite a while) reaping the rewards.

This is not to say all have warped ideas on the subject. Just that their are a great many who feel it is their right <insert 'whatever' here>.

Now, it's all about me me me, instead of us. It's all about pointing out our differences instead of celebrating our similarities. And if we disagree (and sometimes, that's all we can do), we are unable to simply agree to disagree. We can no longer 'settle our differences', we have to have the entire world agree with us.

Let me be clear, I am not 'blaming' schools and teachers. Perhaps its not so important to lay blame at all.

Can't wait until these 'students' get into the real world.

meh... can't we all just get along?