[grainfedprairieboy]

SireJoe SireJoe:

Im atta loss here.... you put your support behind the guy that you think is going to lose to the guy you actually want to win?

Not to mention the fact that you are GIVING money to the other parties you DONT want to win.....it makes no sense.

The sums involved are token.

For example, in the liberal leadership race my first choice would be Hedy Fry because I know she is unwinnable. Since Ignatieff is the likely front runner, myself and those across the country who try to do this as a block have to figure out who to support in order to split the vote and have the weakest candidate win.

I would not do this if I didn't believe that they are as corrupt as they are or as much of a threat to Canada as they are. At the local levels this is actually quite common.

[SireJoe]

So basically you are trying to CONTROL the party by making it as weak as possible and thereby making less Canadians vote for them.... I'll call that pretty weak and low. You are attempting to put your standard of right and wrong to all of Canada.

You want to talk about sanctimonious? I'd call that guy you see in the mirror Mr. Epitome of such.

[grainfedprairieboy]

SireJoe SireJoe:

So basically you are trying to CONTROL the party by making it as weak as possible

Yes.

SireJoe SireJoe:

and thereby making less Canadians vote for them....

I hardly think that weak candidates result in low voter turnout. If anything it has the opposite affect as people rush to the ballot box to prevent the idiot from getting elected.

SireJoe SireJoe:

I'll call that pretty weak and low. You are attempting to put your standard of right and wrong to all of Canada.

Yes. I do not deny that at all. I do it everyday. I believe the liberals to be the greatest threat known to Canada. Greater even then the Bloc. I will do whatever it takes to defend my country. Besides, the liberals and the NDP do it to and are far more aggressive about it routinely trying to hijack riding associations. Have you never belonged to a riding association? It is just harder to hijack a liberal one because ultimately the party dictates where the conservative one is easy as the winning candidate stands.

SireJoe SireJoe:

You want to talk about sanctimonious?

Yes.

SireJoe SireJoe:

I'd call that guy you see in the mirror Mr. Epitome of such.

Sanctimonious: Feigning piety or righteousness. Misuse of the word. A direct accusation of self-righteousness would have been the more appropriate vituperation. I'll consider that was you intent.

[SireJoe]

No, I think it fits:

excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile"

[Firecat]

SireJoe SireJoe:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

SireJoe SireJoe:

Your a card carrying LIBERAL?

Federally and provincially. Also a NDPer and Conservative. First it allows me to attend riding meetings, learn strategy locally and throw my support behind the contender who I believe is least likely to win against my guy.

Im atta loss here.... you put your support behind the guy that you think is going to lose to the guy you actually want to win?

Not to mention the fact that you are GIVING money to the other parties you DONT want to win.....it makes no sense.

Actually I quite admire the degree of engagement. Ridibg associationa aren't among themselves heterogenous. A lot of opinion is heard. They are no love-fests. GFPB is befitting both himself ad each party by doing what he does.

With regard to the NEP he has every right and every justification for feeling how he does. That had all the class of Rae's "Social Contract" solution for the position Ontario was in.

Sometimes in retrospect we can look back and recognize something was a bone-headed idea and try to make up for it. before we can move on.

[DerbyX]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

SireJoe SireJoe:

Your a card carrying LIBERAL?

Federally and provincially. Also a NDPer and Conservative. First it allows me to attend riding meetings, learn strategy locally and throw my support behind the contender who I believe is least likely to win against my guy.

This is how you are a "man of your word"? In our little marathon PM session, cut short temporarily by your recidivism, you kept elabotrating that you are indeed honourable and I had no reason no doubt you were a man who stood by his word.

As you recall I posted that all I had to go on was your posts to judge your character. You had be starting to believe that your posting here was "a bit of a persona" and you were different in real life but then this.

Are you representing yourself as a conservative at your Liberal party meetings? No. Are you actually giving honest advice on how to reach out to "grain fed prarie boys" looking for a better confederation or do you make suggestion you know will fail.

This is your word. This is your honour.

You are acting as a spy and sabateur and whats worse is that when "your party" acts upon your suggestions (which are bogus) you will no doubt turn around and talk about "how the Liberals are all corrupt scum who hate Alberta" when all they would be doing is acting upon your siggestions.

This is your word. This is your honour.

Perhaps you just stay all quiet in the back without contributing but given your personality I doubt it.

I suppose if Canada discovered that a muslim plant had actually made it through to become a soldier for our military and volunteered for the 'Stan just so he could betray our guys that you would stand up and applaud his efforts. Afterall he is following your example. Infiltrate the "enemy" to learn and reveal their plans and disrupt from within. You would no doubt approve of the tactics. Afterall they just want everybody to "convert" to the same party you do only for them its religion eh?

This is your word. This is your honour.

There is no doubt in my mind that had the Cons on this forum learned that a Liberal (or NDP) was doing this then the threads and posts vilifying this would dominate the forum.

How will they react with this I wonder? Any comments guys?

You told me that you "criticize" (to put it mildly) Canada and want to "fix" confederation so that Canada can "become" a great country.

How do we know? Given this revelation how do we know you aren't doing the same to us? Pretending to "be Canadian", going to the meetings, carrying a membership, and all the while offering "suggestions" to fix confederatiom. Are you actually trying to help or are you disrupting from within. Doing things that you know will cause greater support for the seperatist factions (both QC & AB). It strikes me that continually calling all Quebecers as "queerbecers" does a good job doing that. So does attacking all of Eastern Canada hoping to draw responses directed at Alberta and/or the west. From a tactical point of view it makes sense. Pretend to be a Canadian Albertan working to make confederation work but all the while you are causing friction and when things get rough you will no doubt claim that confederation just doesn't work and "you tried".

Except that won't be true. You aren't making any honest attempt to make the Liberal party stronger for no other reason then they are "Liberals". Its not their politics but their name. You see no contradiction in hating a party because of its "policies" when you yourself are deliberately trying to make then that way.

This is your word. This is your honour.

This speaks alot about your character. It will speak alot about the characters of those who oppose it and those who support it.

[Tricks]

Wow....That's...Brilliant. Seriously, that is genius. I don't know if I agree with it, I still haven't figured it out, but that is pure genius. GFPB deserves a pat on the back for that one.

[DerbyX]

Tricks Tricks:

Wow....That's...Brilliant. Seriously, that is genius. I don't know if I agree with it, I still haven't figured it out, but that is pure genius. GFPB deserves a pat on the back for that one.

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

[Tricks]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

I am quite serious. What he is doing is brilliant. If a liberal did it, it would still be brilliant.

$1:

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

That's the brilliance. He tells them to do things that he think most people won't agree with, thus screwing them over in that riding.

$1:

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

I have no idea, but that does stop it from being genius.

[DerbyX]

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

I am quite serious. What he is doing is brilliant. If a liberal did it, it would still be brilliant.

$1:

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

That's the brilliance. He tells them to do things that he think most people won't agree with, thus screwing them over in that riding.

$1:

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

I have no idea, but that does stop it from being genius.

"The ends justify the means" eh?

Then nothing the "enemy" does to achieve victory should bother you.

The muslims bomb their own children to kill our soldiers is brilliant. Not only does it kill our soldiers but it sends a message to all Afgani people to stay away from us or else.

You must agree that "killing 2 birds with one stone" is a brilliant move on their part.

Its not brilliant. Its despicable. Its despicable conduct from any person "claiming" to want a better way.

I am very surprised you think this way.

[SireJoe]

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

I am quite serious. What he is doing is brilliant. If a liberal did it, it would still be brilliant.

$1:

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

That's the brilliance. He tells them to do things that he think most people won't agree with, thus screwing them over in that riding.

$1:

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

I have no idea, but that does stop it from being genius.

You think he is a genius because he came up with a way to help sabotage the opposing parties? ......Wow. I dont even know what to say to that.

Its almost like he was the one that invented the idea of infiltrating the "enemies" camp. Expect...he wasnt, and he is doing is utterly disingenuous. Its like a mild form of brainwashing. How is this even close to being commendable?

[ziggy]

SireJoe SireJoe:

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

I am quite serious. What he is doing is brilliant. If a liberal did it, it would still be brilliant.

$1:

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

That's the brilliance. He tells them to do things that he think most people won't agree with, thus screwing them over in that riding.

$1:

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

I have no idea, but that does stop it from being genius.

You think he is a genius because he came up with a way to help sabotage the opposing parties? ......Wow. I dont even know what to say to that.

Its almost like he was the one that invented the idea of infiltrating the "enemies" camp. Expect...he wasnt, and he is doing is utterly disingenuous. Its like a mild form of brainwashing. How is this even close to being commendable?

You can allways ask him when he gets back out of the slammer.

again.

[DerbyX]

ziggy ziggy:

SireJoe SireJoe:

Tricks Tricks:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I honestly hope you are joking around. What would you say if it was a Liberal doing it?

I am quite serious. What he is doing is brilliant. If a liberal did it, it would still be brilliant.

$1:

He is deliberately sabotaging from within. How can he then claim to not support the Libs when they do things that he suugests?

That's the brilliance. He tells them to do things that he think most people won't agree with, thus screwing them over in that riding.

$1:

Do you honestly think he is doing anything different when he "pretends to be Canadian"?

I have no idea, but that does stop it from being genius.

You think he is a genius because he came up with a way to help sabotage the opposing parties? ......Wow. I dont even know what to say to that.

Its almost like he was the one that invented the idea of infiltrating the "enemies" camp. Expect...he wasnt, and he is doing is utterly disingenuous. Its like a mild form of brainwashing. How is this even close to being commendable?

You can allways ask him when he gets back out of the slammer.

again.

Something to do with posting an address I think?

It can't be a web address as there must be a hundread posted a day here. It can't be posting your own address because I can't see why that would be a problem.

[SireJoe]

It was a house address. Part of one anyways.

[DerbyX]

Why was that a problem?