[fifeboy]

On the ice has been on the ice too long. Four people post and it's "all the .......nut jobs . Wow, I woulda thought CKA coulda come up with more than four.

[fifeboy]

On the ice has been on the ice too long. Four people post and it's "all the .......nut jobs . Wow, I woulda thought CKA coulda come up with more than four.

[bootlegga]

Lemmy Lemmy:

What we need is a big ole marketing campaigned, aimed at Baby-boomers, encouraging them to put adventure into their retirements, like sky-diving, motorcycling, scuba-diving, base-jumping, snake handling, mountain climbing or Russian roulette. We need to promote the benefits of vacationing in Mexico, Columbia, Syria and Indonesia. Most importantly, we need to remind them that smoking didn't kill them afterall. They can relive the pleasures of their salad days by taking up cigarettes again.

Either that or develop the technology in John Scalzi's Old Man's War!

[gonavy47]

There's always soylent green.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

What we need is a big ole marketing campaigned, aimed at Baby-boomers, encouraging them to put adventure into their retirements, like sky-diving, motorcycling, scuba-diving, base-jumping, snake handling, mountain climbing or Russian roulette. We need to promote the benefits of vacationing in Mexico, Columbia, Syria and Indonesia. Most importantly, we need to remind them that smoking didn't kill them afterall. They can relive the pleasures of their salad days by taking up cigarettes again.

Sorry Lemmy but according to all the internet tests (which as we all know are extremely accurate) I'm gonna live till 90 and suck every penny I can out of the system so when it comes to Gen X's, Gen Y's and Gen what ever the fucks turn there won't be enough coin left for them to make a phone call to complain.

[Freakinoldguy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

There's always soylent green.

I guess that's why for years I've been telling people to "eat me".

[PluggyRug]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

gonavy47 gonavy47:

There's always soylent green.

I guess that's why for years I've been telling people to "eat me".

That's what Mary said.

[eureka]

Actually, Harper commissioned a report by a retired Deputy Minister ( I have forgotten the name) some time ago. The report said that there were no problems with the programmes and that they were sustainable. Harper did not like that answer so he stuck it under his blotter.

Now Page says the same; as do all but Right Wing ideological economists and politicians.

This is part of the Harper agenda from his earliest days. Not a hidden agenda but a very much downplayed one so that it has been forgotten by all who have not stayed awake in the anticipation of this.

It is a precursor to the attempt to withdraw from social programmes - as Harper has declared his desire to do for 30 years. Just as the Healthcare funding is with a view to getting the federal government out of that. Another long ago declared intention of Harper.

[Gunnair]

Withdraw from social programs. Walk away from universal healthcare, EI, education... all of them?

Is that what you are asserting?

[EyeBrock]

I'm all for OAS being refocused on the lower wage earners. I reckon I can manage on my own pension plus my military pay-out that's in a locked-in plan. Plus the Limeys will have to give me a bit of cash (it should get me a pizza a month).

[andyt]

Whos to say he means what he's been saying lately vs what he used to say much more loudly:

When he quit the Reform Party in 1997 he said in a speech to the NCC: “The agenda of the NCC was a guide to me as the founding policy director of Reform. I have long supported and proudly defended the NCC and it has never given me reason to do otherwise.” Never.
To get a sense of what the NCC thought of Medicare, here are a few quotes I gathered over the years:
● The February, 1986 issue of the NCC newsletter, Consensus, in its feature on Medicare called for “permitting the establishment of private medical insurance schemes and private hospitals”
● Medicare is “the equal division of misery” – June 1995 Consensus
● “Could it be that the very feature of our health care system which Canadians most often boast about – namely, equal accessibility to all – is one of the things that is keeping it expensive and inaccessible? If we allowed rich people to pay extra to jump to the head of the queue, or to try experimental treatments, wouldn’t their money eventually result in a shorter queue and better treatment for those still waiting?” January 1994 issue of Overview, the NCC’s bimonthly publication
● “In Canada you stand a greater chance of dying while waiting for a heart operation than you do of dying on the operating table.” March 1994 Overview
● “More Canadians will die [if the Canada Health Act is implemented] because they can’t get the life-saving health care they need, when they need it. This will turn our doctors into a bunch of civil servants.” March 1984 NCC fundraising letter
● “So … how would you like your open-heart surgery done by a civil servant?” from an anti-Canada Health Act NCC ad published in Canadian newspapers, 1984
● “As prisoners of this new oppressive system, our incomes will be inexorably eroded, year by year, by vote-buying politicians promising misinformed voters cheaper health care.” Dr. William Rudd, head of NCC’s medical advisory committee, in a letter the NCC mailed to 16,000 Ontario doctors in 1984
In 1994, while still Reform policy director, Harper in a speech to the NCC’s Colin Brown Memorial Dinner, stated: “Universality has been severely reduced: it is virtually dead as a concept in most areas of public policy…These achievements are due in part to the Reform Party…”
The year that Harper became VP of the NCC, 1997, his boss, David Somerville openly expressed the organization’s position on Medicare: “It’s past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act and transferred tax points to provinces to allow them to run health care as they wish as is laid out in the British North America Act.” It was the philosophy behind the Reform Party’s position, though the party was never quite as bold in stating it.
Harper essentially repeated this policy on many occasions and in different formulations.
In his leadership material when running for the leadership of the Alliance Party, it is stated clearly again: “Harper also believes that our health care will continue to deteriorate unless Ottawa overhauls the Canada Health Act to allow the provinces to experiment with market reforms and private health care delivery options. He is prepared to take tough positions including experimenting with private delivery in the public system.”



Harper has learned patience and discipline. Doesn't mean he doesn't still hold the same agenda.

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

Whos to say he means what he's been saying lately vs what he used to say much more loudly:




Harper has learned patience and discipline. Doesn't mean he doesn't still hold the same agenda.

Red Book

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm all for OAS being refocused on the lower wage earners. I reckon I can manage on my own pension plus my military pay-out that's in a locked-in plan. Plus the Limeys will have to give me a bit of cash (it should get me a pizza a month).

Agreed. Don't change the age of eligibility - change who's eligible.

[eureka]

Nice collection, andy. In addition, it became Reform policy in the 1989 caucus statement written by Harper.

[redhatmamma]

The Liberals seem to have forgotten Paul Martin's plan to gut the OAS which had to drop. First they were for actually gutting it, now they are against even suggested minor changes.