[cdn_xj]

Seriously, even if all 15,000 sign a promisary note... How many do we really expect to pay it back? Do collection agents work in Beirut, or wherever they (the signees) decide to hole up and wait it all out? How can we collect against taxes or garnish wages of "citizens" who don't work and live in Canada?

Unfortunately for the honest refugees that have come here and made a better life for themselves and their families... There is a number that take advantage of the our system and others as well...

And, as previously mentioned, having been to a couple of shitholes this world has to offer and in the course of my duty have to risk my life and that of those around me for a bunch of ungrateful leeches, pardon me for being bitter.

[Thematic-Device]

cdn_xj cdn_xj:

I think its very irresponsible to send a 7 year old kid into a potential war zone. No one can say they didn't see this coming... Especially those from that region

Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and India are all "potential" war zones for that matter

[Scape]

So is Mexico (zapatista's/random abductions)

[Thematic-Device]

Scape Scape:

The US is also charging to use its services as well for the helicopters and ships. Lot of money in the refugee business.

Better yet howabout the US simply takes the bill out of Israels allowance?

[Scape]

Yeah right, they just told Condi to shove it. Israel tells the US what to, not the other way around.

[Hardy]

"Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
-- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Perez, 28 Sept. 2001

He misspoke, however. Or, more accurately, was "talking trash." Most of the US's political machinery do not dare upset AIPAC, but AIPAC is no more representative of the Jewish people than the US legislature (27% approval rating) correctly represents its citizens' wishes. Had he said "the Israeli government's lobby contols the US government" he would have been much closer to the truth.

[MissT]

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

[Motorcycleboy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, we either stop taking in so many refugees from the worlds hot spots and shit holes or we invest in a bigger navy with heavy lift choppers available to pluck our plastic Canadians from the country they fled from and returned to at the wrong time. Oh, and maybe Air Command can actually deploy to protect the RCN. Better still lets get an aircraft carrier or two.

We can't fling open our doors and not think of the issues that 50,000 immigrants with Canadian passports pose to us a nation.
We gave these guys citizenship, now we need to follow up on our obligations to protect them, plastic or not.

This is an interesting point. With the kind of wide open immigration policies in place that we have now, it's inevitable that we're going to end up with more and more situations like this in the future.

We're effectively creating mini-colonies of ex-patriots throughout the world. With one big difference. These ex-pats aren't working abroad on Canada's behalf, they're working towards their own various interests. We still have a responsibility to look after them though when things go bad. Privilege without the responsibility.

It's like colonialism in reverse.

[MissT]

Well I certainly hope they would save my sorry ass if I get in to trouble in the various hot spots I work in. I wouldn't say I'm working on Canada's behalf (or at least not for their government or businesses.) I work for a UK NGO, and travel or get posted to Africa and Asia all the time. Plenty of heavy situations round my way, and I willingly plunge into that because that's my work. I also like to visit my family, who come from over the world (as well as Canada).

Nonetheless, perhaps you (MCB) would let me qualify under your scheme of who is Canadian and who isn't, should I get caught up in some mess and need some help. But I don't really feel comfortable kicking the ladder away after me. I say all Canadians get treated as Canadians, and if they need to stay in touch with their roots, and family, and succeed in being a range of nationalities all at the same time, all power to them. It can be a tricky thing to balance, and I don't feel it politically or psychologically helpful to make people chose between countries or cultures.

[grainfedprairieboy]

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

Tell me about your 'dangerous job' MissT and some of the hotspots and highlights.

[MissT]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Tell me about your 'dangerous job' MissT and some of the hotspots and highlights.

Actually I don't think my job is dangerous but the countries I work in are sometimes considered to be. You know, places where there are political tensions, riots, civil war, political assasinations, murder, kidnappings, that sort of thing. Fortunately it's not affected me so far, for which I am very grateful. (sorry, don't want to get into too many personal details here. Vague and pathetic I know but I feel funny about it all being on the web, and that's my perogative. *shrugs*)

[Robair]

MissT MissT:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

Me niether, really. But let me take a crack at it. I could be totally wrong but:

I think some folks on here have a vision of a white anglo christian canada, MissT. I suppose to folks with that sort of view a 'great' nation that does the 'right' thing would not have granted a lot of these folks citizenship in the first place...

[EyeBrock]

Robair Robair:

MissT MissT:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

Me niether, really. But let me take a crack at it. I could be totally wrong but:

I think some folks on here have a vision of a white anglo christian canada, MissT. I suppose to folks with that sort of view a 'great' nation that does the 'right' thing would not have granted a lot of these folks citizenship in the first place...

Maybe we should have thought twice before we granted Maysoun Al-Akhras and her family Canadian citizenship.
She believes Hezbollah are the 'protectors'.

I have to wonder how many times the plastic Canadians will have to slap the rest of Canada in the face before we wake up to the fact that not all our immigrants are upstanding people.

I am very doubtful about the validity of accepting immigrants into Canada who believe Hezbollah or any other terrorist organisations are their “protectors”.

Call me old fashioned but I don't think supporters of terrorist militias make for the best Canadian citizens.


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 41584d1992

[Scape]

Old fashioned? We have our very own Archie Bunker on the forums (MCB)! You are positively modern in comparison.

[Robair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I am very doubtful about the validity of accepting immigrants into Canada who believe Hezbollah or any other terrorist organisations are their “protectors”.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 41584d1992

From where they were standing, that is probably exactly how it looks. From your link:

$1:

Hassan El-Akhras, a family member whose father was killed in the bombing, said Hezbollah is seen as a protector to people in southern Lebanon because the organization helped force the withdrawal of Israeli forces in 2000.

He said his family had no connection at all to the group. "They have nothing to do [with them] because my family lives here, and my aunts and uncles don't have any relationship with Hezbollah," he said. He said his family was targeted simply for being Lebanese. He is asking the Harper government to push for an end to the Israeli shelling and to insist on a full investigation into the bombing that killed his family members.

I don't doubt that any of us standing in their shoes would reach the same conclusion.