[Ruxpercnd]

As an American, I don't mean to insult anyone, but....

I think Canadians have suckered themselves by letting these Lebanese call themselves Canadian. Oh yea, go get 'em. It would be worth it because these Lebanese... oops, I mean Canadians... are pretty smart to have set you up like this. And smart people may be needed back in Canada.

[EyeBrock]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

As an American, I don't mean to insult anyone, but....

I think Canadians have suckered themselves by letting these Lebanese call themselves Canadian. Oh yea, go get 'em. It would be worth it because these Lebanese... oops, I mean Canadians... are pretty smart to have set you up like this. And smart people may be needed back in Canada.

Too many people are plastic Canadians over here. They carry the passport (which is waaay too easy to get) but their allegiance is to other countries.

A look around at the car flags on Canada Day said it all.

We are a country of hyphenated 'Canadians'. We believe in diversity over unity and we are happy to forget our own heritage.

Anybody can be a 'Canadian'. You just gotta land here, wait three years and hey presto, you are as Canadian as the guy born here. Seems a bit silly really.

[Thematic-Device]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think refugee claimants who go back to the country they alleged that they were fleeing from with a "well founded fear of persecution" and suddenly bugger off there for summer vacation may be a tad disingenuous.

The situation has changed recently enough. Hence why some may decide that they would be able to go back. But you're assuming they're all refugees, while they could have simply immigrated to canada on their own accord.

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Maybe it's time we realised that a lot of these so called 'refugees' are just queue jumping economic migrants who have little allegiance to Canada.

Again who is to say that they are refugees, maybe they were simply migrants going back home to see relatives.

[Ripcat]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Let them find their own way back.

Your post makes me believe that you are a fucking asshole.

There are Canadian kids trapped in Lebanon while there on a summer vacation. One is only a year old. Others that they mentioned on the news are less than five.

One family of Canadians of Lebanese descent who have family vacationing in Lebanon speak better English than you because they don't have the cock of a rich WASP in their mouth.

If war broke out between Protestants and Chatholics in Northern Ireland do we refuse to rescue Canadians from there?

WTF, these people are Canadian citizens....

WTF, punish first, judge later? Is this how you do your job? Or do you judge somebody's innocence based on their beliefs, skin colour and English language skills?

[EyeBrock]

Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think refugee claimants who go back to the country they alleged that they were fleeing from with a "well founded fear of persecution" and suddenly bugger off there for summer vacation may be a tad disingenuous.

The situation has changed recently enough. Hence why some may decide that they would be able to go back. But you're assuming they're all refugees, while they could have simply immigrated to canada on their own accord.

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Maybe it's time we realised that a lot of these so called 'refugees' are just queue jumping economic migrants who have little allegiance to Canada.

Again who is to say that they are refugees, maybe they were simply migrants going back home to see relatives.

Thematic, I have a little bit of an inside track on this, I am an immigrant that came through the front door and jumped through all the hoops.

I also meet on a daily basis many so called 'refugees' who routinely go back to the land they fled, even though the situation they fled from has changed little.

The situation in Lebanon has been dodgy for the past few years, even more so since the Syrians left. That should be no suprise to any plastic Canadian who is vacationing/working in their homeland.

[cdn_xj]

Fortunately for us sitting on the sidelines... Its easy for us to judge whichever side we want. The simple fact is that Israel DOES exist whether the rest of the world Islamic or not, wants to believe it. Seriously, what do they (the Hezbollah) expect that the country of Israel will just fold and all the nations of the world will absorb it all? No way too much money at stake. The Hezbollah and other organizations of its ilk know EXACTLY which buttons to push to get the Israelis mounting attacks all over the middle east. They knew the response from the moment they took the first captive... Fired the first missle etc. Its a costly game, and both know exactly what they are doing...

We can sit here and call it Israeli "barbarism" or terrorism perpetrated by the "Axis of Evil"... Either way Canada has no discernable Foreign Policy and therefore we fence sit and the killing by either side continues...

As for the question at hand do we rescue these people? Well... I would say no... There are acts of terrorism all over the world, and because of our diverse population, Canadians tend to get caught in the middle. There are constant warnings on the Foreign Affairs websites etc of which countries (failed and failing) that Canadians should not travel to.

Buyer beware... Travel at your own risk... Governments make travel advisorys based on local intel etc... Its up to you if you want to risk it... I think its very irresponsible to send a 7 year old kid into a potential war zone. No one can say they didn't see this coming... Especially those from that region.

Just my $0.02

[Ripcat]

So maybe then we should not let any Canadian leave the country at any time for any destination....

Tsunamis in the Pacific, hurricanes in the US and Caribbean, terror attacks in the UK, tornados in the US midwest, famine in Africa, crime in Mexico, gang violence in Brazil.....

[Ripcat]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

As an American, I don't mean to insult anyone, but....

I think Canadians have suckered themselves by letting these Lebanese call themselves Canadian. Oh yea, go get 'em. It would be worth it because these Lebanese... oops, I mean Canadians... are pretty smart to have set you up like this. And smart people may be needed back in Canada.

30, 000 "Americans" in Lebanon.....

[Ruxpercnd]

Ripcat Ripcat:

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

As an American, I don't mean to insult anyone, but....

I think Canadians have suckered themselves by letting these Lebanese call themselves Canadian. Oh yea, go get 'em. It would be worth it because these Lebanese... oops, I mean Canadians... are pretty smart to have set you up like this. And smart people may be needed back in Canada.

30, 000 "Americans" in Lebanon.....

I am not in any big hurry to go get them... like... why would I go to Lebanon? I would at least be afraid of being kidnapped. I might vacation in Greece or Israel or Egypt or Jordan... but not Lebanon unless I was looking for trouble.

We are going to try to evacuate Americans to Cyprus, but these guys have to pay there own airfare from there. No free ride home.

We distinguish between Real Americans and Naturalized Americans. Naturalized Americans can have their American citizenship revoked under certain conditions. And I am not going to get excited about a Naturalized American who gets into trouble back in their native land. They are not exactly innocent in their situation.

As far as I am concerned, being a Naturalized American gives you rights to make a life here, but not to get rescued over there.

I feel the same way about real Americans who give up their life here and make a life somewhere else.

[Ripcat]

It's been quiet beween Lebanon and Isreal for over 6 years now and Lebanon is a fledgling democracy so maybe these people a) felt it was now safe enough to visit or b) it's safe at the moment so maybe we better go now in case things heat up, to show off the grandkids to grandma and grandpa before they pass away.....or to show their kids where their parents or grandparents came from before Isreal and Iran exchange nukes.

[Hardy]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

We distinguish between Real Americans and Naturalized Americans. Naturalized Americans can have their American citizenship revoked under certain conditions.

The only difference is that they cannot become vice-president or president, although there has been talk of changing that.

There is only one way of depriving a naturalized US citizen of their citizenship, and that is to prove that they told some major whoppers on their application for citizenship.

$1:

351 U.S. 91

UNITED STATES v. ZUCCA, ALIAS SARNI.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT.
No. 213.
Argued January 24-25, 1956.
Decided April 30, 1956.

1. Under 340 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, the filing of an "affidavit showing good cause" is a prerequisite to the maintenance of a denaturalization proceeding. Pp. 91-100.

(a) This conclusion is in accord with the language of the statute. Pp. 94-96.

(b) It is also in accord with the legislative history of the statute, its contemporaneous administrative construction, and the usual administrative practice thereunder. Pp. 96-98.

(c) The filing of such an affidavit is not rendered unnecessary merely because the complaint itself is verified. Pp. 98-99.

2. Section 340 (a) is the only section under which a United States Attorney may institute denaturalization proceedings. Bindczyck v. Finucane, 342 U.S. 76 . Pp. 95, 99.

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Sec. 340. [8 U.S.C. 1451]

(a) It shall be the duty of the United States attorneys for the respective districts, upon affidavit showing good cause therefor, to institute proceedings in any district court of the United States in the judicial district in which the naturalized citizen may reside at the time of bringing suit, for the purpose of revoking and setting aside the order admitting such person to citizenship and canceling the certificate of naturalization on the ground that such order and certificate of naturalization were illegally procured or were procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation...

[Ripcat]

The thing is, if the government was to leave these people stranded then precedence has been set so next time it will be easier for the government to deny assistance and next time it may be you or someone you love that is left stranded.

Conversely, these people being rescued by the government means precedence has been set and when it is you or your loved ones stranded somewhere then the rescue mission will be dispatched even sooner.

Thousands of Canadians are helped/rescued/returned home by Canadian embassies around the world every year when these Canadians find themselves in trouble while abroad. Just because there are so many in need of rescue all at once in a volitile area does not mean we don't help them.

[Scape]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Newfy Newfy:

I have to disagree with you on this one. Some people leave their home country because their work has sent them away to another country. Do they not have a right to be rescued and brought home in this sort of situation.

And I would have no problem with that either. If for example, some Canadians working for Encana needed assistance getting out of a war zone, I'd be all for it.

But the vast majority of those "Canadians" in Lebanon are Lebanese by birth or extraction and have decided to return there after satisfying their citizenship requirements here.

Those aren't real Canadians as far as I'm concerned. Those are "Canadians of Convienence", who use Canadian citizenship as nothing more than an insurance policy.

Sounds like your beef is with the immigration department. Why not write a sternly written letter to your MP and CC to Monte? Tell him you concerns and then when he replies post it on the thread. Should be good reading.

[Jaime_Souviens]

Anybody with a passport, you get.

You have to treat it that way, because you can't be deciding who the "real Canadians" are, assuming you could, with the helicopters taking off.

Someone's lame-ass Canadian is someone else's mother.

A citizen's a citizen, no questions asked.

[Robair]

Opinions are kind of like assholes, everybody's got one.

My opinion is that Bart and Motorcycle must be angry, angry little men.

These are Canucks and Yanks in trouble. Send the boats.