[eureka]

"So if you're against a Government of Earth for these reasons, then you also have to be against government in general."

That is fallacious, Scott. Government "in general" is limited and can be controlled. Government of the Earth is neither.

I did not read your Constitution as I admitted. I read only part. I have not the time for that kind of exercise since I live in the Real World.

I will say, though, that it sort of relates to what I am most concerned about: concerned to avoid. That is that there will have to be soms supra national body in the not to distant future to deal with the devastation that the changing climate will bring.

[Dragon-Dancer]

A united earth is a nice dream... but alas only a dream. Humanity it too fractured and divided to ever truly agree to one set of rules or laws for all despite the fact that we are all the same under the skin.

Ideals are still a good inspiration to strive to be better.

Keep Dreaming.

[Scott Yee]

eureka eureka:

"So if you're against a Government of Earth for these reasons, then you also have to be against government in general."

That is fallacious, Scott. Government "in general" is limited and can be controlled. Government of the Earth is neither.

It all depends on what type of government you have. The less powers a government has, and the greater accountability there is, will result in a more limited government.

We do not have government, to tell us, who can and cannot get married. We have government, to build schools and hospitals.

Conservatives make me laugh, because they want to get rid of social programs, which are to help everybody, yet they want to deny gay people from getting married. Talk about keeping government out of people's lives.

If you had read my constitution, you would of saw how I created a Populous Branch, and created a Freedom of the Press, where they become the 5th branch of government.

[eureka]

Is English not your first language, Scott?

The Press is already "free." It is already, effectively, a branch of government. It is the Fourth Estate. Its degeneration in recent decades emphasises what some of us are saying to you.

Human Nature is not amenable to your ideals. And thank Heaven it is not. The world is a dull enough place without that sameness. It suffers enough from authoritarianism without one government over all. It does not need your conformity.

[Scott Yee]

The media likes to pretend it is the 4th estate, it is not. I have put it in my constitution, making it the 5th branch of government.

As for human nature, there are all sorts of people out there. Which means, you have good people and bad; you have conservatives and socialists, and so forth.

And so far, I have seen what I have expected from these various forums. But online forums, are only a small sample size.

What I seek, is a national debate in every country. You can look at me as the John A. McDonald of the world. What I seek to do, is no less what he tried to do, to get Canada to come together.

[Regina]

#4 seems to be the popular answer.

[Brenda]

Regina Regina:

#4 seems to be the popular answer.

It's the ONLY answer...

[r_p]

Scott Yee Scott Yee:

What I seek, is a national debate in every country. You can look at me as the John A. McDonald of the world. What I seek to do, is no less what he tried to do, to get Canada to come together.

shit, let's hope you have better luck... Poor ol' John A had about a million goddam tragedies befall his life before he was 50! (his hair and nose accounting for just two of them..)

[eureka]

The Press IS the Fourth Estate. That is what it has always been considered. It is not a pretense.

But, like the First two it has abandoned its responsibility and the Third has given in to defeatism and apathy.

No need for any Fifth Estate. You want one government yet want to construct more layers.

[Scott Yee]

r_p r_p:

Scott Yee Scott Yee:

What I seek, is a national debate in every country. You can look at me as the John A. McDonald of the world. What I seek to do, is no less what he tried to do, to get Canada to come together.

shit, let's hope you have better luck... Poor ol' John A had about a million goddam tragedies befall his life before he was 50! (his hair and nose accounting for just two of them..)

My hair started to fall out at the age of 16.

[Scott Yee]

eureka eureka:

The Press IS the Fourth Estate. That is what it has always been considered. It is not a pretense.

But, like the First two it has abandoned its responsibility and the Third has given in to defeatism and apathy.

No need for any Fifth Estate. You want one government yet want to construct more layers.

Not officially, it isn't.

I forgot about the CHAPTER VIII: THE INSPECTIONS BRANCH, so make it 6th branches.

CHAPTER X: FREEDOM OF THE PRESS

Article 48

The People shall have a free Press to watch over government, which shall be the obligation of the Press to inform the People.

Article 49

1. Members of the Press shall not be punished or forced to give up a source, unless it is dealing with classified information or planetary security, which the Press shall be banned from reporting on, and shall inform the government of all classified information or issues of planetary security it comes across, and provide all information relating to it, or face twenty-five years in prison.

2. Members of the Press shall have the right to report any suppression of the news, by any news organization to the Journalism Commission, which shall not only have the power to force the news organization to publish said story or opinion, but can be fined up to one million dollars.

3. Members of the Press shall have the right to break the law, but only when it is in the best interests of the public. Governments shall reserve the right to take the matter to the Journalism Commission.

4. Members of the Press shall have the right to monitor polling stations on election day, but shall not communicate with, or record voters.

Article 50

1. The Press shall be regulated by a Journalism Commission in every Member State. The Journalism Commission shall be made up of thirty members: ten members shall be elected from within the Press; government shall appoint ten members, and ten members shall be randomly chosen from the voters list.

2. It shall take a two-thirds majority for all decisions to be passed by the commission, and the commission shall pass its own rules of procedure.

Article 51

1. Members of the Press who sit on the commission, shall serve a three year term, and shall collect a salary from the membership fees, which shall be decided by the commission.

2. The government shall decide and cover the salaries of their appointees.

3. Voters shall serve a term of one year, and shall not serve again, until everybody on the voters list has had the opportunity to serve, and shall not serve on more than one commission at a time, and cannot have any association with any level of government, or within the Press.

4. Voters who sit on the Journalism Commission, shall receive double their current salary, which shall be paid by the government, and shall be permitted to take a leave of absence from work for the time they serve on the commission, without losing position or seniority.

5. Journalism commissioners shall only be removed if all the commissioners, excluding the commissioner(s) in question, approve to have said commissioner(s) removed from the Journalism Commission.

Article 52

1. The Journalism Commission shall listen to complaints against Members of the Press, and shall have the power to order Members of the Press to make retractions on stories/commentaries, and/or lay fines against them.

2. Journalists shall only be allowed to violate an individual's right to privacy, when that individual has committed criminal actions, to be prescribed by law; unless said individual gives consent.

3. Any journalist that violates an individual's right to privacy, shall serve a one year prison term, and be banned from the Press.

Article 53

1. Members of the Press can only be fired by the Journalism Commission, which shall either be on grounds of unprofessional conduct, or a news organization provides financial records for a layoff. Any Member of the Press who has been convicted of a crime, can be fired without the approval of the Journalism Commission.

2. News organizations shall have the power to suspended a Member of the Press from work, but with pay; unless said individual has been charged with a crime.

3. Individuals who feel they should be considered a Member of the Press, shall have to submit a request to the Journalism Commission for official status. If approved, shall have to pay annual fees to the Commission, and shall be entitled to vote for, and be elected to a position on the Journalism Commission.

4. Only those who have official Press status, shall be protected under Freedom of the Press in the Constitution, and be issued an official Press pass.

You know what you just did? You just read a piece of my constitution; something you didn't want to do, sucker!

[eureka]

Actually, Scott, I did not read it. And officially has nothing to do with it. The Press has been referred to as the Fourth Estate ever since their democratic role was recognised in the UK. Do think that I have to read your Constitution to understand what Freedom of the Press means?

Perhaps you should make poets into your Fifth Estate. Shelley called them "The unacknowledged legislators of the World."

[Lemmy]

And, with respect to poets, Gord Downie opined "Don't tell me that they're anti-social, somehow not anti-social enough."

[llama66]

Sorry for wading into this conversation so late, but...

I was thinking the Official Language should be Esperanto. That way no one can say that are being discriminated against.

I was also thinking that the Capital should be in Africa, that way we can assist in the creation of infrastructure for the whole continent. Mogadishu? or perhaps Cape Town?

And for the so-called "prime directive"... we don't need one because every country would be a member...

My thoughts...

[Scott Yee]

eureka eureka:

Actually, Scott, I did not read it. And officially has nothing to do with it. The Press has been referred to as the Fourth Estate ever since their democratic role was recognised in the UK. Do think that I have to read your Constitution to understand what Freedom of the Press means?

Perhaps you should make poets into your Fifth Estate. Shelley called them "The unacknowledged legislators of the World."

I ready said, the media has been "considered" the fourth estate for years. We both agree that they do not act like it. But this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

Does not officially make the Press, the fourth estate. The Press refereed to themselves as such, even though it was never officially put in the constitution, and even though they don't even act like it.

It's like if I called myself the sexist man on the earth. It doesn't make it true, just because I proclaim it so.