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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:04 am
 


http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm

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More than at any time in recent history, we have not only a cultural and religious war being waged by one group against not only Christians, but against secularists and even members of the Muslim faith who don't believe 'correctly'.

Is there a coming war between Islam and the rest of the world that will make events in Iraq pale by comparison.

Is liberal Holland the Roncesvalles of that coming war?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:00 pm
 


Holland is in the process of rounding up 10,000 illegal muslim aliens for deportation. Fascinating. In little Holland.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:37 pm
 


Wow Vic, if your not careful people will start to think your a Catholic wearing a suit of armor with a big red cross on the chest. So when do you and Richard set sail?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:25 am
 


What about a thousand years ago, during the Crusades, when Christians from Western Europe went to Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Muslims and Jews?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:48 am
 


WHat about right here in Canada. "Educating" the natives was something else too.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:32 pm
 


And only 60-65 years ago, Christians killed 2 MILLION Jews in Europe. The NAZIS were Christians, don't forget. Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is just nonsense that Muslims are some sort of "evil" people whereas Christians are "good" people, because Christians have been as bad, if not WORSE, than any Muslims have ever been.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:38 pm
 


60 years ago, the 3 main "rogue states" in the world were Germany, Japan and Italy, and none of them were Muslim countries.

In WWI, the "rogue states" were Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and none of them were Muslims.

Russia was also an enemy of the West, and was also a Christian country. North Korea, that also isn't a Muslim country.

Look into the past and even the present day and you will find that most "rogue nations" have been CHRISTIAN countries.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:34 pm
 


GreatBriton GreatBriton:
And only 60-65 years ago, Christians killed 2 MILLION Jews in Europe. The NAZIS were Christians, don't forget. Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is just nonsense that Muslims are some sort of "evil" people whereas Christians are "good" people, because Christians have been as bad, if not WORSE, than any Muslims have ever been.


Umm Christians didnt kill 2 million Jews. Nazis were a party, a political party with a facist ideology.If some were Christians then thats jolly. Because one person is Christian the whole country is Christian? I hope not. All three religions have been associated with atrocities one way or another but I think the root of the problem is extremist Muslims in the here and now.


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GreatBriton GreatBriton:
And only 60-65 years ago, Christians killed 2 MILLION Jews in Europe. The NAZIS were Christians, don't forget. Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is just nonsense that Muslims are some sort of "evil" people whereas Christians are "good" people, because Christians have been as bad, if not WORSE, than any Muslims have ever been.


These Christians you are talking about also killed alot of Christians. Last time I checked a good deal of Russians are a branch of Christianity, and there are also British and Americans who were christians during that time. Hitler was only killing jews to advance his ideology that they were rotting the German culture and were like a disease to the German people, who were the superior race. Even the crusades were really just another form of countries trying to take money and goods from another country. When you look at how they went about the crusades, they really just became another part of history where one part of humanity tried to take over the rest. I mean the muslims have done it within their own culture.


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GreatBriton GreatBriton:
And only 60-65 years ago, Christians killed 2 MILLION Jews in Europe. The NAZIS were Christians, don't forget. Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is just nonsense that Muslims are some sort of "evil" people whereas Christians are "good" people, because Christians have been as bad, if not WORSE, than any Muslims have ever been.


Umm Christians didnt kill 2 million Jews. Nazis were a party, a political party with a facist ideology.If some were Christians then thats jolly. Because one person is Christian the whole country is Christian? I hope not. All three religions have been associated with atrocities one way or another but I think the root of the problem is extremist Muslims in the here and now.


Yeah. The NAZIS were Christian, and the NAZIS killed Jews, so Christians killed Jews.

What you are saying is - How can you label all Christians as being evil just because of a few NAZIS? BUT, what people are doing now is labelling ALL Muslims as being evil, just because of the actions of a SMALL MINORITY of Muslims who are terrorists. Saying that all Muslims are evil because of Al Qaeda is like saying that all Catholics are evil because of the IRA. So if you don't like to think that all Christians are evil because of the NAZIS, then you have no right to say that all Muslims (or the Muslim religion) are evil.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:41 am
 


No. If one person is Christian, then the whole country isn't Christian.

But I can say the same thing about Muslims. Just because one person is Muslim, does that mean the whole country is Muslim?

Some of those "Muslim" countries aren't entirely Muslim. Palestine has a large Christian community. There are thousand of Christians living in Iran, a country with a population of 69 million.

All this anti-Islamic stuff that's around at the moment (especially in the US), where people are saying that most Muslims are evil (just because of Al qaeda, but never say that most Christians are evil because of the IRA and ETA etc) and that we should "kill the evil Muslims" is very much like the anti-Semitic stuff coming out of NAZI Germany in the 1930's, and that lead to the deaths of 2 million innocent Jews.

At the moment, I can think of only ONE major Muslim terrorist organisation. But I can think of several major Christian terrorist organisations.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:46 am
 


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GreatBriton GreatBriton:
And only 60-65 years ago, Christians killed 2 MILLION Jews in Europe. The NAZIS were Christians, don't forget. Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is just nonsense that Muslims are some sort of "evil" people whereas Christians are "good" people, because Christians have been as bad, if not WORSE, than any Muslims have ever been.


These Christians you are talking about also killed alot of Christians. Last time I checked a good deal of Russians are a branch of Christianity, and there are also British and Americans who were christians during that time. Hitler was only killing jews to advance his ideology that they were rotting the German culture and were like a disease to the German people, who were the superior race. Even the crusades were really just another form of countries trying to take money and goods from another country. When you look at how they went about the crusades, they really just became another part of history where one part of humanity tried to take over the rest. I mean the muslims have done it within their own culture.


But, again, it's the same with Muslims. Muslims kill other Muslims, too. In the 1980's, there was a war between Iraq (allied to the US at the time) and Iran, 2 Islamic countries. And then in the early 1990's, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

And are you saying that it was okay for Hitler to kill Jews and it was okay for the Crusaders to kill Muslims because all they were doing was taking "money and goods from another country"?

Is it okay to kill citizens of another country to take their money and goods? I mean, your country is good at doing that. That's precisely what it's doing in Iraq.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:51 am
 


So it's not okay for Al Qaeda to attack the US on 9/11. If they do that, then they AND ALL MUSLIMS are evil and ALL MUSLIMS must die? But it's okay for Hitler to kill Jews, because he is a Christian, and because Jews were a strain on Germany, even though most of the Jews he killed weren't German? And it was okay for the Crusaders to kill Muslims and Jews because they were Christian and they were only taking their "goods and money"?

Al Qaeda is the only major Islamic terrorist organisation around at the moment. But how many Christian ones are there? There's the IRA, the Real IRA, all the Loyalist terrorists, ETA, the RAF (German terrorists)


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Christians have killed more Muslims throughout history than the amount of Christians that Muslims have killed. Can you blame them for hating Christianity so much? The reason why Al Qaeda attacked America on 9/11 was because of America's oppression of Islamic nations in the Middle East. If Christians have killed thousands of Muslims, even in recent times, we can expect the Muslims to be a bit angry at us. The war in Iraq was just another Christian crusade against Muslims. Let's have a look at some recent atrocities commited on Muslims by Christians in recent years, and answer this question - Which REALLY is the more evil religion: Islam or Christianity?


Killing of Muslims in various countries by western powers, Refugees and the Killing Fields


1. AFGHANISTAN: 2 million killed during Soviet invasion since 1979. Now it's the turn of Americans, British & Russians to kill several thousand Talibans and their foreign helpers in 2001. More than 6 Million made refugees.

2. ALBANIA: Several thousand by Soviet Communists, since 1944. Hosted 465,000 Kosovar refugees in 1999.

3. ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for fear of Muslim takeover of government.

4. ARMENIA: Several thousand Muslims killed in an enclave called Nagorno Karabakh during 1992-93

5. AZERBAIJAN: Several thousand Muslims killed by Soviets since 1922.

6. BANGLADESH: More than one million people killed by Indian/Bengali Terrorists, and 10 million made refugees since 1970.

7. BOSNIA-HERZOGOVINA: Several hundred thousand Muslims killed by Serbs and Croats since 1991.

8. CHAD: Several thousand by French since 1981.

9. CYPRESS: Several thousand Turkish Muslims killed by Greek since 1964.

10. DJIBOUTI: Several thousand killed during clashes with Ethiopia since 1976.

11. EGYPT: Several thousand Egyptian soldiers in Sinia killed since 1967 War by Israelis.

12. ERITRIA: Several thousand starved and killed by Ethiopians, since 1962.

13. INDIA: More than 2 million by Hindus, since 1947 partition of India.

14. INDONESIA: More than 500,000 thousand Indonesians (mostly Muslims) were killed since 1960 by labeling them as communists with the help from U.S.

15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops and
Naval Fleet.

16. IRAQ: The worst massacre of Muslims by American and British forces in the history, in which 150,000 lost lives, since 1991 Persian Gulf War. More than 7000 Iraqi soldiers sitting in trenches were buried alive when American infantry vehicle equipped with bulldozing blades pushed sand on them in the trenches.

17. ISRAEL: More than 3 million Muslim Arabs have been killed since 1920's by Jews.

18. JORDAN: Hosted 700,000 refugees after Iraq was encouraged by U.S. to take over Kuwait in 1990.

19. KAZAKHSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviets since 1936.

20. KOSOVO: Several thousand Albanian Muslims were killed by Serbs during recent Balkan crisis in Mid 90's, and many thousands made refugees.

21. KUWAIT: Several thousand Kuwaitis lost lives during Iraq's invasion and Gulf War since 1990.

22. KYRGYZSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviet since 1936.

23. LEBANON: An estimated 60,000 killed by Christian Fallangistsduring 1975-76 Civil War, and many thousands killed since Lebanon's
occupation by Israel in 1982, including several thousand at Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps. Israeli troops made Lebanon a killing ground since that time.

24. LIBYA: U.S. Air Force bombed Tripoli & Be Ghazi in 1982, and 1986, downing a few planes, sinking two ships, and killing several hundred civilians including the adopted daughter of Muammar Qaddafi.

25. MOROCCO: In 1979 Morocco lost several thousand troops after invasion of Mauritania and Western Sahara for its rich mineral deposits.

26. NIGERIA: U.S. tried to divide Nigeria into another oil-rich region calling it Biafra in which several thousand lives were lost in 1967. Because of oil covert operations in Nigeria have caused high loss of life in Muslim areas since that time.

27. OMAN: Although not much is heard about Oman, but U.S. has set up a permanent military base in Oman since mid 80s, used by American and British forces during Persian Gulf War and recent Afghan War.

28. PAKISTAN: Although no direct involvement by Western forces, yet the internal strife called ethnic killings is due to help given to dissident and opposition forces by Americans, Indian and British intelligence has led to several thousand deaths since 1970's.

29. PHILIPPINES: More than 120,000 Muslims living in Mindanao lost their lives by Christians assisted by U.S. covert operations.

30. SOMALIA: Several hundred thousands Somalis died in civil war encouraged by Christian covert war-lords in surrounding countries assisted by U.S. U.S. Forces killed several hundred Somalis in 1995, just to capture one person Col. Aideed.

31. SUDAN: more than 2 million people killed by covert operations since 1990 and many million have been displaced.

32. SYRIA: Ever since 1967 Six Day War, Israel has killed many thousand Syrians along with suppression by Bathist political party, whose founder was a Christian Arab. Syrian forces confronted Arab Philangists in Lebanon, and many killed by Israeli Defense Forces and their surrogates in South Lebanon Army.

33. TANZANIA: In January 1964, Sultan was ousted. This was achieved by revolutionary forces with the help from Western masters. In this process Several thousand Arabs/Muslims were slaughtered.

34. TAJIKISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced several hundred thousands of Tajiks from 1929. Later the invasion of Afghanistan in late 80s led to several thousand dead in war with Afghans.

35. TURKMENISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced many thousands of Turkmenistanis after 1925. The investment by Western/American Oil companies is leading to killing of many in Afghanistan by Turkmen and Tajiks in current crisis in 2001.

36. UGANDA: From 1971 to 1979, several thousand Muslim lost their lives when British American forces launched covert operations to oust Idi Amin.

37. UZBEKISTAN: Soviet Russia after 1925 killed many thousands of Muslims and displaced many thousands more.

38. YEMEN: More than 200,000 people lost their lives since Gamal Abdul Nasser launched a campaign in 60s, and more than 300,000 fled to south during two decades of hostilities created by communists in the North.

39. ZAMBIA: The covert civil strife and AIDS has taken a great toll in this impoverished country, and more than 500, 000 children have been orphaned.

40. PALESTINE: Ever since the creation of Israel, more than two million people lost their lives in Palestine, and many millions were driven out never to return to their homeland.

41. KASHMIR: More than a million Muslims have lost their lives ever since Indian occupation in 1948, and many millions became refugees.

REFUGEES:

Today the largest number of refugees in the world are the Muslims, and no one counts the Millions of Muslims killed in Asia, Africa, Middle East,
Europe, and South East Asia but the American are erecting Holocaust Museums all over the country to remind the brutality experienced by six million Jews at the hands of none other than the intolerant Christians in Europe. This led to partition of Palestine giving most of the Arab lands to settle European Jews in 1948, and create a permanent problem for Arabs since that time. Israel has been used as a surrogate to fight for American interests and at war with neighboring Muslim countries ever since that time. The recent war in Afghanistan has created many more million refugees driven in all directions, but majority towards Pakistan by United States and Britain. They are not only killing Afghan Muslim through unprecedented and relentless bombing in history but also encouraging Muslims from North to kill other Muslims in the South especially in the Holy Month of Ramadan.

KILLING FIELDS:

US/UK are using latest weapons technology and the heaviest bombs (15,000 lbs), cluster bombs, and cruise missiles tipped with depleted Uranium warheads, to kill and maim civilians without any mercy, and at the same time dropping food packages to show their hypocrisy never seen in the history before. Ever since the Persian Gulf War, US/UK have used Depleted Uranium weapons that will kill millions with cancer and other diseases, in those areas contaminated with radioactive debris that will continue to effect life for millions of years through the killing ionizing radiation.
This war will leave a great deal of animosity within various ethnic groups of Muslims and a great danger for Pakistan in the future from India with hostile Afghanistan on the West. The corrupt Muslim leaders have been purchased by the West to kill their fellow Muslims in and around
Afghanistan. During the twentieth century Christians killed Christians, Jews and Muslims. Muslim countries were fragmented to create better control of the population by creating Kingdoms and Emirates that never existed before. The beginning of new millennium (i.e. 21st Century) has unleashed fury on Muslims unprecedented in the history of mankind and against International law, again by joint Christian and Jewish forces.

The first Crusade was blessed by Pope Urban II in 1096, but the recent two Wars (1990 and 2001 - Crusades under different names) were blessed by none other than a well known Christian Evangelist, Billy Graham. No matter what the spin masters in Washington and London call it as "War Against Terrorism," but in reality it is a CRUSADE against Muslims in a disguise. Allah will never forgive Muslims who kill their fellow Muslims to help their common enemy - Non-Muslim foreigners, hypocrites and pagans.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:04 am
 


And that's not to mention the HUNDREDS of INNOCENT men, women and children MURDERED in Shatila refugee camp by Ariel Sharon.


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