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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:38 pm
 


Original title: Argentina launches naval campaign to isolate Falkland Islands

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lands.html

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Argentina has launched a naval campaign to isolate the Falkland Islands that has seen it detain Spanish fishing vessels on suspicion of breaking the country’s “blockade” of the seas around the British territories.

Argentine patrol vessels have boarded 12 Spanish boats, operating under fishing licences issued by the Falkland Islands, for operating “illegally” in disputed waters in recent weeks.

Argentine patrol commanders carrying out interceptions near the South American coast told Spanish captains they were in violation of Argentina’s “legal” blockade of sea channels to the Falklands.

The warning has been backed up in a letter to Aetinape, the Spanish fishing vessels association from the Argentine embassy in Madrid warning boats in the area that “Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are an integral part of the Argentine territory.”

The confrontation strategy targetting foreign boats marks an escalation of tensions in seas that Duke of Cambridge, a Flight Lieutenant with the RAF, is set to patrol during a tour of duty last year.

The Duke is to be deployed to the Falklands next February as part of a routine training duties. Commanders would face the dilemma of despatching the Royal to take part in an operations to monitor or contain the Argentine challenge.

President Cristina Kirchner has adopted a steadily more beligerent stance towards Britain’s South Atlantic possessions.

A newly formed gathering of South American nations meeting in Venezeula backed Argentina’s sovereignty demands at the weekend.

Argentina’s claim over the Falklands was backed by a newly formed block of South American and Caribbean countries, CELAC, on Saturday with unanimous approval. Mrs Kirchner used the last UN General Assembly meeting to put Argentina’s claims of sovereignty over the Falklands on a par with Palestinian claims to statehood.

But it is the Falklands economic lifeline that has been most affected by Argentinian manoeurving.

It announced permits were required by all ships using Argentine waters en route to the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, all of which are UK controlled.

Argentina declared vessels were “operating illegally” in the South Atlantic if they did not request permission to enter Argentine waters. The authorities declared their willingness “to put an end to all those illegal fishing activities”.

The vessels, from Galicia, were boarded as they were making their way across the huge Rio de la Plata estuary, which separates Argentina and Uruguay, before off-loading their catches in Montevideo, Uruguay.

Mrs Kirchner, 58, has also threatened to suspend a vital Falklands air link — the only one off the islands — which was established in a 1999 deal between the UK and Argentina unless Britain entered into talks leading to sovereignty negotiations.

A Foreign Office spokesman said Britain had lodged an official complaint about the Argentine action. “We are aware that Argentina has recently challenged vessels transiting between the Falklands and the port of Montevideo,” the spokesman said. “The UK has protested to Argentina. We consider that it is not compliant with international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Mike Summers, a member of the Falkland Islands legislative assembly, said Argentina was trying to cut the Islands off from the South American mainland. “The Falkland Islands Government has no doubt about its right to issue licenses to foreign companies to fish in its waters,” he said. “There have been other difficulties in recent months with Falklands flagged vessels seeking to use South American ports; Argentina seeks to prevail on its neighbours to implement its foreign policy for it, by denying access to their ports for vessels doing business in the Falklands.”


This would not happen except for the fact that the Brits have cut the Royal Navy so much. The Argies were quiet right up to the point where the Brits paid off their last carrier deck.

And don't think Obama is going to help them out when they need the USA. I would not be surprised if Obama took the side of the Argies. Edit: Never mind, I forgot that he already has taken their side.

In any case, I'd put even money on the Argies invading the Falklands by around February or March so as to use the winter weather to deny the Brits easy access to the islands.


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All it takes is one or two subs to counter their surface fleet


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All it takes is one or two subs to counter their surface fleet


If the Argies invade the Falklands in February or March (which is when I'd do it) then subs may be cute and all but they're useless in landing operations to retake the island. Subs are also easily killed by helicopters and the Argies have seriously spun up their ASW in recent years and the FA readiness is reportedly up in recent years.


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The US under Ronald Reagan also did absolutely nothing to dissuade the Argies from attacking in 1982 so I doubt that this is strictly an "Obama thing". Any British troops and marines killed on the islands during the fighting were all shot by American-made bullets coming out of American-made M16's and M60's that were given to the Argentine junta by the United States over the preceding couple of decades or so. The British are probably as well aware not to count on American support in any confrontation with Argentina as much as they were aware that they'd get absolutely nothing concrete in American support when it came to battling against the Irish Republican Army.

Looks like the Falklands though might end up being a casualty of British budget cuts in the military. Maybe it was unintended but this consequence of the thoroughly ridiculous economic philosophy of austerity certainly shouldn't have been unforseen.


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Thanos Thanos:
The US under Ronald Reagan also did absolutely nothing to dissuade the Argies from attacking in 1982 so I doubt that this is strictly an "Obama thing".


Reagan took sides. Ask your RAF friends about that.


Thanos Thanos:
Any British troops and marines killed on the islands during the fighting were all shot by American-made bullets coming out of American-made M16's and M60's that were given to the Argentine junta by the United States over the preceding couple of decades or so. The British are probably as well aware not to count on American support in any confrontation with Argentina as much as they were aware that they'd get absolutely nothing concrete in American support when it came to battling against the Irish Republican Army.

Looks like the Falklands though might end up being a casualty of British budget cuts in the military. Maybe it was unintended but this consequence of the thoroughly ridiculous economic philosophy of austerity certainly shouldn't have been unforseen.


The Brits still have nukes. If they let one off about 50 miles over Buenos Aires it'll be 20 years before Argentina gets the lights back on.

Of course, the other thing here is the Argies may stop the wrong ship at sea one of these days. Instead of a Spanish ship what happens if the ship they stop is flagged US/Russia/France/etc.?

Then I'm thinking things would get interesting.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:29 pm
 


It is posturing and meaningless. The news has scarcely reached the Argentinians themselves.

My son has been in Argentina for the past ten years and he seems to be unconcerned and, he has connections there who know what is going on.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:55 pm
 


The fiction just keeps getting better


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:20 pm
 


I have emailed your piece to him, Bart. I will let you know what he says. Or what his connections in the US and British embassies say - if they are talking.


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*snicker*....the aide on his ward has received another piece of paper covered in crayon with specific instructions to deliver it to Winston and Franklin's rooms. I wonder if he thinks it's amusing when Eureka refers to him as 'son'.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:47 am
 


Someone explain to me why an island that is nothing more than a giant pasture for sheep is worth all this BS?


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Oil, I'm given to understand that oil has been discovered between the Islands and the mainland, also add some national pride stuck up peoples asses also fuel this kind of thing.

The folks living in the Falklands want to be able to speak English and not have their heads kicked in by the Argies police.

Good recipe for war.

As an unabashed Anglophile I would like to see the Falklands stay the Falklands and I hope Obama will do his best to try and keep the Argentine s at bay on this although with his track record of screw our allies is well known.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:01 am
 


xerxes xerxes:
Someone explain to me why an island that is nothing more than a giant pasture for sheep is worth all this BS?



Oil.

The last remnant of British pride, before they become something like France
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:13 am
 


Yeah, it was in the newspapers a couple of months ago - they found oil in the Falkands. It's a couple of billion dollars worth, I forget the figure.


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Thanos Thanos:
Any British troops and marines killed on the islands during the fighting were all shot by American-made bullets coming out of American-made M16's


The Argies used the FN SLR during the war. The same FN used by the Brits.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:32 am
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
The fiction just keeps getting better


So he now has connections not just in the Canadian political scene but also the Argentine political landscape! ROTFL


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