[CDN_PATRIOT]

eureka eureka:

One sick puppy has a follower!

Awww.....you finally noticed your shadow, did you? How nice.




-J.

[PluggyRug]

eureka eureka:

It is posturing and meaningless. The news has scarcely reached the Argentinians themselves.

My son has been in Argentina for the past ten years and he seems to be unconcerned and, he has connections there who know what is going on.

My son is head of the Argentinian secret police, I told him to hunt dowm your son and send him back home.

[Bruce_E_T]

martin14 martin14:

Sovereignty of an ally doesn't work ?

Seems it was enough a couple of wars past.

The short answer yes.

The long answer is that was two wars and several elections ago. Canada is just winding down its efforts in Afghanistan which had lukewarm public support. Canadians had not seen war casualties since the Korean war.

If Harper wants to start up a new engagement it will have to be sold very clearly. Advantage here would be that it would in support of the British rather than as flunkies of the US. I do not think the British will ask for help unless they really need it.

[BartSimpson]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

I do not think the British will ask for help unless they really need it.

True friends don't need to be asked. True friends ask where they can help.

[Canadian_Mind]

An argie invasion of the Falklands would be a clear invasion of allied territory. That is a far more concise and clear CB than we ever had with Afghanistan or Libya. I have faith that the Canadian people would support intervention.

And there was an article on here not to long ago about Harper espousing Canada's military prowess, likely for the sake of greater influence on the international stage. If nothing else, offering every ounce of support we could muster for the Brits in case of Argie invasion would be a goldmine for him. I won't spit out any numbers, but I wouldn't be suprised to see a larger commitment than what we sent to Libya.

[Tricks]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

martin14 martin14:

Sovereignty of an ally doesn't work ?

Seems it was enough a couple of wars past.

The short answer yes.

The long answer is that was two wars and several elections ago. Canada is just winding down its efforts in Afghanistan which had lukewarm public support. Canadians had not seen war casualties since the Korean war.

If Harper wants to start up a new engagement it will have to be sold very clearly. Advantage here would be that it would in support of the British rather than as flunkies of the US. I do not think the British will ask for help unless they really need it.

If Article 5 is invoked, frankly, we don't have a choice.

[PENATRATOR]

Seems like Argies are in a cycle where every generation needs an old fashioned beatdown

[Macguyver]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Seems like Argies are in a cycle where every generation needs an old fashioned beatdown

Ya? Who has suffered a beatdown lately?

Iraq? lol for a the Trillion dollars the US spent they could have paved the whole country.

Afghanistan? Have we won there?

Libya? Maybe, but you're not going to be running sorties from any friendlies in that region...even Colombia is not a big friend to the Falklands. Libya is in a good spot, run jets and bombers from dozens of locations...

The Falklands are on the South East corner of the continent, I don't see many options there. I wouldn't under estimate the home field advantage and the lack of western $$$ to fight for some cold rocks near the South Pole.

If politics don't solve this then I'm predicting that the UK loses this one. Not that I'm cheering for either side. Its just fascinating to watch the world turn, another made-for-TV war to get us through the winter is just what the doctor ordered.

[PENATRATOR]

Macguyver Macguyver:

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Seems like Argies are in a cycle where every generation needs an old fashioned beatdown

Afghanistan? Have we won there?

.

Have you been there? Tell me about it then.

[Macguyver]

Nope, but that is why I asked. Seems to me the place is not stable by any means.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16059147

What do you consider a victory?

[Tricks]

I like it when people compare what would be entirely different campaigns. It's really fun.

[EyeBrock]

Macguyver Macguyver:

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Seems like Argies are in a cycle where every generation needs an old fashioned beatdown

Ya? Who has suffered a beatdown lately?

Iraq? lol for a the Trillion dollars the US spent they could have paved the whole country.

Afghanistan? Have we won there?

Libya? Maybe, but you're not going to be running sorties from any friendlies in that region...even Colombia is not a big friend to the Falklands. Libya is in a good spot, run jets and bombers from dozens of locations...

The Falklands are on the South East corner of the continent, I don't see many options there. I wouldn't under estimate the home field advantage and the lack of western $$$ to fight for some cold rocks near the South Pole.

If politics don't solve this then I'm predicting that the UK loses this one. Not that I'm cheering for either side. Its just fascinating to watch the world turn, another made-for-TV war to get us through the winter is just what the doctor ordered.

You don’t have a great grasp of history on this eh?

Also the UK has the capability to reinforce the FI by air within 14 hours. There is a resident battalion on rota as well as a Typhoon flight on QRA all on 'home field'.

The RN have a frigate and a sub on station that we know of and I’m sure with all the sabre rattling there are a few more assets ‘down-south’ that we don’t know about.

The Argies underestimated the Brits in the doldrums of successive Labour governments that had run the country down in the 1970’s to 1981. Then came Maggie.

It’s inconceivable that the UK would allow the Argies to once again try and take over British sovereign territory. If you think otherwise you are lacking in a solid understanding of the dynamics of this one.

The Argies wrote the Brits off in 1982. That didn’t work out too good for them.

[Bruce_E_T]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

True friends don't need to be asked. True friends ask where they can help.

I imagine Canada would offer help and let the British decide where to go from there. They may like a "coalition of the willing" sort of approach and take a little specialized help from a variety of sources. Done with diplomacy rather as public posturing.

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

And there was an article on here not to long ago about Harper espousing Canada's military prowess, likely for the sake of greater influence on the international stage. If nothing else, offering every ounce of support we could muster for the Brits in case of Argie invasion would be a goldmine for him. I won't spit out any numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a larger commitment than what we sent to Libya.

Right on! An no Liberal leftovers to eat as well.

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Also the UK has the capability to reinforce the FI by air within 14 hours. There is a resident battalion on rota as well as a Typhoon flight on QRA all on 'home field'.

The RN have a frigate and a sub on station that we know of and I’m sure with all the sabre rattling there are a few more assets ‘down-south’ that we don’t know about.

The Argies underestimated the Brits in the doldrums of successive Labour governments that had run the country down in the 1970’s to 1981. Then came Maggie.

It’s inconceivable that the UK would allow the Argies to once again try and take over British sovereign territory. If you think otherwise you are lacking in a solid understanding of the dynamics of this one.

The Argies wrote the Brits off in 1982. That didn’t work out too good for them.

The issue this time around that got this pile of crap going again was Obama having Hillary Clinton tell the Argentines that the issue of the Falklands was "a matter of negotiation" between Argentina and the UK. Up until then things were improving and then that got the Argies all excited that the USA was taking their side.

And this time around there's no carrier force to help retake the islands.

If this gets into a furball I sure hope that the UK doesn't pay any attention to some ridiculous 'combat zone' designation. If the Argentines seize these islands again the first UK bombs should drop on Buenos Aires, not Stanley.

[GreenTiger]

Given no carriers that is probably their only military option is to attack the main land. Does this NATO article 5 have any merit?