[Brenda]

When it is Hannukah, I wish people Happy Hannukah (if I think about it) When it is Thanksgiving, I wish them Happy Thanksgiving. When it is their birthday, I wish them a Happy Birthday. At Eastern, I say Happy Eastern. At Ramadan, I wish them a Happy Ramadan. Why would it be different for Christmas?

My holidays are in Summer.. Everybody is welcome to wish me happy holidays then. This time of year, its Christmas... What is so hard about it?

[SigPig]

Brenda Brenda:

When it is Hannukah, I wish people Happy Hannukah (if I think about it) When it is Thanksgiving, I wish them Happy Thanksgiving. When it is their birthday, I wish them a Happy Birthday. At Eastern, I say Happy Eastern. At Ramadan, I wish them a Happy Ramadan. Why would it be different for Christmas?

My holidays are in Summer.. Everybody is welcome to wish me happy holidays then. This time of year, its Christmas... What is so hard about it?

Exactly!

[hwacker]

Streaker Streaker:

SigPig SigPig:

Streaker Streaker:

Why would "Happy Holidays" be alienating?

Because we don't celebrat Holiday Eve and Holiday Day. Its CHRISTMAS EVE and CHRISTMAS DAY!!!!

Geez, Streaker you are being deliberately dense about this.

That isn't an explanation of why you find this term alienating. Again, what is it about "Happy Holidays" that makes you feel excluded?

Because it's a Christmas Holiday, Federal holiday you know, we don't have any for the others in Canada because Christians were here first. Like it or not its Christmas not anything else, sorry to burst your multi_cult bubble

[Streaker]

SigPig SigPig:

Streaker Streaker:

SigPig SigPig:

Because we don't celebrat Holiday Eve and Holiday Day. Its CHRISTMAS EVE and CHRISTMAS DAY!!!!

Geez, Streaker you are being deliberately dense about this.

That isn't an explanation of why you find this term alienating. Again, what is it about "Happy Holidays" that makes you feel excluded?

Because its being done to make sure people aren't offended who don't celbrat Christmas. But that same logic isn't applied to anyone else. It seems just Christmas for some reason.

But why would you wish someone a Merry Christmas if you knew beforehand that they weren't Christian?

I've never had a Muslim come up to me and wish me a Joyous Ramadan, or whatever it is they say.

[Streaker]

hwacker hwacker:

Streaker Streaker:

SigPig SigPig:

Because we don't celebrat Holiday Eve and Holiday Day. Its CHRISTMAS EVE and CHRISTMAS DAY!!!!

Geez, Streaker you are being deliberately dense about this.

That isn't an explanation of why you find this term alienating. Again, what is it about "Happy Holidays" that makes you feel excluded?

Because it's a Christmas Holiday, Federal holiday you know, we don't have any for the others in Canada because Christians were here first. Like it or not its Christmas not anything else, sorry to burst your multi_cult bubble

Christians weren't here first.

[hwacker]

Streaker Streaker:

Christians weren't here first.

Well they made it a federal hoilday, I guess whoever you think were here first should have made "Canada" into a country and then you can have your point.

[Yogi]

Streaker Streaker:

But why would you wish someone a Merry Christmas if you knew beforehand that they weren't Christian?



I've never had a Muslim come up to me and wish me a Joyous Ramadan, or whatever it is they say.

Just how am 'I' supposed to know 'before hand' if someone is a 'Christian' or not???

By wishing them a 'Merry Christmas' it shows that their race, ethnicity, color, or culture matters not a whit to me, only that I am 'inviting them' to share in the spirit of Christmas and what it means to me!

And for many years I did in fact celebrate Diwali. Complete with all the trappings, as well, I still wish those who celebrate a 'Happy Diwali' and don't take offense when it is wished upon me!

[EyeBrock]

Tegan Tegan:

Wada Wada:

What's to hold sacred? The fact that Christians perverted pagan sacred days to supposedly Christian ones. What exactly is sacred about a stolen sacred day especially when one of your chief tenets is to not steal?

I think that a lot of the oldies should realize that Christmas is becoming less Christian and more cultural in nature as other groups start celebrating it as well.
At the same time Christmas is an important part of western culture whether it involves religious activities or not, so there should be absolutely no hesitation in using the appropriate sign: Merry Christmas /Joyeux Noel

I think you should figure out us 'oldies' have most of the cash so our opinions do count.

[EyeBrock]

Yogi Yogi:

Streaker Streaker:

But why would you wish someone a Merry Christmas if you knew beforehand that they weren't Christian?



I've never had a Muslim come up to me and wish me a Joyous Ramadan, or whatever it is they say.

Just how am 'I' supposed to know 'before hand' if someone is a 'Cristian' or not???

By wishing them a 'Merry Christmas' it shows that their race, ethnicity, color, or culture matters not a whit to me, only that I am 'inviting them' to share in the spirit of Christmas and what it means to me!

And for many years I did in fact celebrate Diwali. Complete with all the trappings, as well, I still wish those who celebrate a 'Happy Diwali' and don't take offense when it is wished upon me!

An excellent point Yogi. As Sig said, its just Christmas that seems to have be deleted.
I don't think it's those from other religions driving this, I think it's white north Americans of streaker and sandorski's ilk who care little for our culture and traditions anyway.

All people, including faithful christians, should be wishing each other 'Merry Christmas'.
It is a season of goodwill to all.
People have said that phrase for millenia, and now all of a sudden we are afraid to say it?

What is wrong with our society? We would rather celebrate gay pride than Christmas?
It seems our politicians and corporate leaders would.

And again, nothing against gay pride, I'm all for it but I prefer chicks, boobs and all that, but hey, YMCA away guys!

Merry Christmas!

[bootlegga]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Did you miss the joke? Giving your wife an anniversary card about "suffering marriage"?

kind of like the 4 rings of marriage.

The promise ring.
The engagement ring.
The wedding ring.
The suffering.

The one I heard on my wedding day was that a ring is the world's smallest handcuff!

[mtbr]

Streaker Streaker:

But why would you wish someone a Merry Christmas if you knew beforehand that they weren't Christian?

.

just to piss them off and just to piss you off.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Did you miss the joke? Giving your wife an anniversary card about "suffering marriage"?

kind of like the 4 rings of marriage.

The promise ring.
The engagement ring.
The wedding ring.
The suffering.

I did mate! Went over 'me 'ead! Now I get it though....!

[Pimpbrewski]

It is Christmas.

It's a Canadian tradition and no one should change that.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

All people, including faithful christians, should be wishing each other 'Merry Christmas'.
It is a season of goodwill to all.
People have said that phrase for millenia, and now all of a sudden we are afraid to say it?

Perhaps thats the problem. ALL people should not be saying that to everybody. I might say only christians should say it but in reality only people who want to say it should say it.

People have not said that for a millenia. That phrase is likely less then a couple hundread years old. The puritans banned christams in the colonies so they certainly didn't say it.

Wishing people "merry christmas" has become more about the commercial and non-religious aspect of the holdiays.

Its as much a season of goodwill to all as any of the other holidays around this time.

To me seasons greetings is about including all the people of the earth celebrating whatever they want, including Atheists who do celebrate christmas.

Feel free to say merry christmas to everybody as much as you want.

What you can't do is tell other people what they can and cannot say and if you are offended by stores that tell their employees not to say merry christmas then hit them where it hurts. Tell them you aren't doing your holiday shopping there for just that reason and if enough people feel as you do and shop likewise then those stores will give in.

Thats capiltalism at its voting best. Socialism might be inclined to force everybody to conform to a pre set of cultural traditions.

I thought you were against solcialism?

[EyeBrock]

A lot of the traditions of the Anglo Saxon/ Norman French Christmas season have made it through to modern times. Even the word "Christe masse" is Old English. As in a long time ago.

I'm also aware that a lot of the traditions have evolved from the pre-Christian English/Angles/Picts/Celts et al. I'm also up to speed on the big impact the Victorian era's has had on modern Christmas, thanks to the likes of Dickens.

Christmas has evolved from a fusing of many traditions and has been part of our culture since the Romans stopped nailing Christians to posts or feeding them to rather large cats. We can get into the historical parts and these posts will get very long!

My issue is that we are allowing an important part of our culture to be purposely ignored or deleted.
I'm not a bible basher but it is a favourite time of the year for me and my family, especially since I spent so many of them serving overseas or more recently, being on duty over Christmas. Christmas isn't just a religious festival anymore, it's a time of goodwill and family, it's also deeply ingrained in our culture and heritage.

It's the hypocrisy of it all that bugs me, the stores want our cash prior to Christmas yet they can't even call it 'Christmas'? Utter wankers!
What is a 'holiday' in the last week of December? The one we have every year?

It's Christmas! Even John Lennon said so!

Oh and on socialism, ask Jack Layton if he’s saying ‘Merry Christmas’. I doubt it, but he can walk with Hezbollah supporters and spray hunky guys in leather with water.