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Brenda Brenda:

Why would I have something shot into me while I am never sick?

For pretty much the same reason people buy house insurance even though their house has never burned down or been broken into... because you can never guarantee that, because you never got sick before, that you won't get sick in the future.

I cannot afford my house to be rebuild. I can afford to get sick with the flu. My immune system is strong enough to fight it. And if not, we will see then. THat, and the fact it is mandatory to have my house insured.

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The last time I had the flu was 30 years ago! All my other "illnesses" were a cold, that a flu vaccin doesnt help against!

Question.... given the fact that you seem to be quite ignorant of science, how exactly do you know that all your other illnesses were actually "colds"? After all, there can be some symptoms that the 2 diseases share.

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There is a distinct difference between the flu and a cold. You of all people should know that.
When I am sick, I won't go out, but be in bed. To wait it out.

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Brenda Brenda:

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Brenda Brenda:

Why would I have something shot into me while I am never sick?

For pretty much the same reason people buy house insurance even though their house has never burned down or been broken into... because you can never guarantee that, because you never got sick before, that you won't get sick in the future.

I cannot afford my house to be rebuild. I can afford to get sick with the flu. My immune system is strong enough to fight it. And if not, we will see then. THat, and the fact it is mandatory to have my house insured.

You can afford to get sick but why would you risk to ? It's not fun to stay in bed for 1 week feeling like crap.

I just don't see your logic. It's like saying: The chances of getting a bad STD like HIV are pretty low and most others are benign. So, why would I were a condom ?

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Proculation Proculation:

You can afford to get sick but why would you risk to ? It's not fun to stay in bed for 1 week feeling like crap.

I just don't see your logic. It's like saying: The chances of getting a bad STD like HIV are pretty low and most others are benign. So, why would I were a condom ?

Why is everybody constantly comming up with bullshit comparisons?

Maybe being sick is part of life? Just like dieing? I don't get why no one wants to accept facts of life anymore. Everything should be perfect, and since we seem to have the technology, we HAVE to use it. Well, sorry, but I am not going to get vaccinated against one strain of flu while I might be getting another one.

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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

No but it has ocurred to me that every year the flu shot comes out it's a crap shoot. With all the strains of flu virus out there nobody can be sure which flu vaccine to work on from year to year.

Ok, here are all the reasons why you're wrong....

First of all, you are right, they do have to 'guess' what strains to include in the vaccines (at least for the seasonal flu vaccines). But this is not an issue here... we know (from seeing infection patterns in Australia, where they have their flu season earlier) that H1N1 will be the dominate circulating strain. So, you can be almost guaranteed that the H1N1 vaccine will be effective against the main circulating strain.

Secondly, even if the scientists developing the vaccine 'guess wrong' and pick a strain that isn't the biggest risk, that does not mean that the vaccine is 'worthless'...
- Even if it doesn't contain the "main" circulating strain, more than 1 strain always circulates every year. So you would still have less chance of catching the flu overall.
- In some cases, a vaccination against one 'strain' of the flu may provide at least partial protection against similar strains.

By the way, you made it sound like the people developing the vaccine are guessing almost at "random" which strains to include. Fact is, before they decide, they examine transmission patterns in other countries where influenza is currently circulating, and quote often they do pick the "correct strains".

So, avoiding the flu shot just because they might not have picked the correct strain is foolish.

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And since there appears to be more than one strain of H1N1, the crap shoot continues.

Yes, there are more than 1 strains of H1N1, but we know exactly which one is actually circulating.

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No thanks, I'll pass on the toxic injection and takes me chances.

Please provide proof that the flu shot is, in any way, a 'toxic injection'. We've been innoculating people for influenza as well as other diseases for decades. If there was anything 'toxic' about it, then how come we haven't seen any sort of evidence about it? (And I'm talking about real evidence, based on studies involving things like control groups, not just meaningless anecdodes.)

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If I die, then I was meant to die.

What a really stupid attitude.

Does that mean you regularly walk out in the middle of traffic? After all, not all cars will hit you, but if one does, you were "meant to die"?

Do you also forsake all other medical care? After all, any visit to the doctor's office or hospital in order to "save your life" might interfere with your "expectation to die".

The saddist part is, even if you were "meant to die", your foolish attitude could end up resulting in the deaths of people around you.

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However, Ontario health officials tell CTV News that the province will provide a seasonal flu vaccination in the next few weeks for anyone aged 65 or older. An announcement is expected Thursday.

Officials also say they will provide H1N1 shots for high-risk groups -- including pregnant women, children and health workers -- in November. Then, the rest of Ontario's population can be vaccinated.

This is from the article. Which is EXACTLY what I am saying. Wtf is the problem??

I am a healthy 38-year old, not pregnant woman. I do not get a flu shot.

Now, Segno, you are claiming it is about the Swine flu shot. It isn't. It is about the normal, seasonal flu.

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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Because as I said, whenever I DID get the flu shot, it worked, I got the flu. Please explain to me why the hell I would want to make myself sick on purpose.

Logical Fallacy.

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Proculation Proculation:

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And everybody who doesn't is stupid? Sorry, bs.

To each his own...

Not stupid but a decision not based on logic.

I.E. Stupid.

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DerbyX DerbyX:

Bodah Bodah:

To date, more people die from complications from the comon cold on a daily basis, than H1N1.

So have an orange and chill !

Well the common cold isn't killing healthy people which is why things like H1N1 get the red flag.

The Spanish flu killed more people then WW1 and WW2 combined and its a subtype of H1N1.

Does it ever occur to the right that the reason we aren't dying by the millions is because of vaccines and prevention measures they claim is left wing fear mongering?

This isn't the right. This is the age. Look at the majority of those against it, they are older. Older people seem less likely to follow changes like this. Proof of this is stupid posts like this:

jibber-jabber-f9/a-little-bit-of-nostalgia-t84775.html

The people not getting the shot are (generally) older whereas younger generations are more willing to because their line of thought isn't based in so called "experience" but actual logic.

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PluggyRug PluggyRug:

My chimney flu is full of soot, does it need a shot?

Last year two of our closest friends got the flu shot, then came down with the flu.
We didn't and remained healthy, weird.

Logical fallacy. I haven't had the flu shot in a few years and haven't got it either. I should have gotten it though, and I recognize that. I'm getting lucky when I don't. I also held the same belief that I'm young and can fight it off.

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raydan raydan:

I've got family and friends in the medical sector too.
Ambulance technician, nurses and a doctor.
Most don't have a choice and have to get the vaccine and about half don't want it.
The ambulance technician doesn't want it but wants to keep his job.
The doctor believes that pretty much only seniors, those with high risked of infection jobs and those with compromised immune systems should get it.

My mother is a nurse, and she gets pissed if I don't get the shot. There can be different opinions in the healthcare field.

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Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

You can afford to get sick but why would you risk to ? It's not fun to stay in bed for 1 week feeling like crap.

I just don't see your logic. It's like saying: The chances of getting a bad STD like HIV are pretty low and most others are benign. So, why would I were a condom ?

Why is everybody constantly comming up with bullshit comparisons?

Maybe being sick is part of life? Just like dieing? I don't get why no one wants to accept facts of life anymore. Everything should be perfect, and since we seem to have the technology, we HAVE to use it. Well, sorry, but I am not going to get vaccinated against one strain of flu while I might be getting another one.

Yeah! Why protect yourself! We made bullet proof vests, but cops might not get shot, so don't wear one!

The logic used in this thread is fucking retarded.

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So you claim every cop wears a bulletproof vest all the time?
Now THAT is retarded.

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Brenda Brenda:

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However, Ontario health officials tell CTV News that the province will provide a seasonal flu vaccination in the next few weeks for anyone aged 65 or older. An announcement is expected Thursday.

Officials also say they will provide H1N1 shots for high-risk groups -- including pregnant women, children and health workers -- in November. Then, the rest of Ontario's population can be vaccinated.

This is from the article. Which is EXACTLY what I am saying. Wtf is the problem??

I am a healthy 38-year old, not pregnant woman. I do not get a flu shot.

Now, Segno, you are claiming it is about the Swine flu shot. It isn't. It is about the normal, seasonal flu.

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Every year in the United States, on average:

* 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
* more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
* about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

That's normal seasonal flu.

H1N1 (pay attention to the biggest area)


Also from the CDC.

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Tricks Tricks:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

My chimney flu is full of soot, does it need a shot?

Last year two of our closest friends got the flu shot, then came down with the flu.
We didn't and remained healthy, weird.

Logical fallacy. I haven't had the flu shot in a few years and haven't got it either. I should have gotten it though, and I recognize that. I'm getting lucky when I don't. I also held the same belief that I'm young and can fight it off.

Getting the flu shot, does not mean you DO NOT get the flu.

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Brenda Brenda:

So you claim every cop wears a bulletproof vest all the time?
Now THAT is retarded.

A friend of mine has just been hired to the london police force and always wears it, so yeah. Why protect yourself when you can leave it to chance? Use your fucking head.