[grainfedprairieboy]

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

In Atlantic Canada we do not have doubts about the cons...we have fear

After the last 12 years being stuck in the political version of Monster Chiller Horror Theatre, please tell me how a Maritimer could find any party scarier than the grits?

[chsh]

I generally vote liberal, and did again this election -- not because I wanted Martin back in power, but rather because my local Liberal candidate was simply the better choice for the region. He seems to be a guy who gets it -- MPs look after their riding, and look out for their riding, and vote along riding lines. My only qualm was that I am unaware of his stance on electoral reform.

That being said, I voted liberal in full confidence the conservatives -- the party I wanted to govern the country -- would be elected to a minority. Indeed they were, and I'm thankful for it. It takes Martin out of power (IMO he was a far better finance minister than PM), and it puts the righter-than-before conservative party in power again. Let's see what they can work with a minority. Harper said some things about his approach (which looks to be a baby steps thing) that sound like they could work and get support. I'm hoping this turns out to be true.

Directly and right away, it appears as if the GST is going to be reduced by 1%, which helps EVERYONE. That, I am cool with. Sure, it's not the complete abolition of the GST as other parties have promised in the past, but at least it's something.

There are times where I honestly wonder WTF I am in terms of party leanings. On the one hand, I prefer fiscally responsible governments, and dread the return to a deficit spending position federally. On the other hand, I enjoy and support public health care, social assistance, etc., etc... I want to see our electorate actually get a fair share of the vote. One person in PEI shouldn't be worth one and a half Quebecers (or whatever the ratio is). I want to see tougher punishments for various crimes, but I don't want to see gun control thrown completely away. I think provinces should be allowed to govern themselves to a degree, as this addresses the unity issues as far as I'm concerned.

One thing that's irked me about federal governments over the last 16 or so years is the lack of understanding that United does not equate to Identical. Quebec can govern themselves differently than Ontario, which in turn will do things differently than out west. I don't see why that's a big problem. Remember when the PM had that whole health care funding debacle with money he gave to the provinces, but demanded auditing to ensure it went to public health care? Yeah, I disagreed with that.

In one major regard, I think the liberal party has identified itself in Canada. Both our last Prime Ministers stood up to the American government and refused to let Canada be its whipping boy. We stood up and said no. Why? Because it was what Canadians wanted. I hope Harper has it in him to do the same should the circumstances arise, as he suggested at the end of his speech last night.

Above all else, I hope we do not have to suffer through another election. Am I correct in thinking that the earliest one could be triggered would be this spring when they are traditionally supposed to release a budget?

[Poisson]

I'm pleased with the results. The seat numbers went almost in line in my predictions I wa hoping it will be.

It appears that the Liberals' scare tatic worked somehow, but not enough to take the Conservatives the minority government. If the election held on for another week, it could've worked well.

I'm surprised the Bloc lost seats and votes. However, I'm happy the Bloc took a few seats in Montréal, especially Papineau. Finally Pettigrew (pretty much like that rat in Harry Potter) can shut up for good. I'm amazed the Bloc took Gatineau, now the separatists have to be very happy to have a MP of their own looking at the Parliament Hill acrossing the river.

I find it a little distrubing that the Liberals and NDP were shut out in Alberta. When the province will give other party a chance after decades under Conservative rule, hell would freeze first...

NDP did well, hopefully it will translate more success in the Parliament.

This election loss is what the Liberals need, to clean up the party and elect a new leader. Canada has been ruled by the Liberals for over 100 years since the Confederation started. We'll have the Liberals back in no time for another decade of rule.

As for the Conversatives, I'm not going to get bitter that Harper won...it's getting too old. I hope he'll take the moderate course if he expects his government to last more than a year.

[twister]

Well my take on the whole thing.. A minority that can be taken out by the liberals and NDP together should keep things honest and accountable.

Harper can't dump kyoto.. (cause they'll be out on thier ass), make mention of gay marriage or have a free vote on abortion.. so it stays status quoa... at least for the 6 months the tories are in power.. The conservatives have to be more middle of the road that ever before.. and not sway to the right on every issue less the hammer squish them..
Good on ya steve, you wanted power more than anything else, lets see what you can do with your six months... nothing stupid.... or else it's bye bye.. No late night meetings with Mr. Bush as you plan to sell off canada bit by bit like your other conservative "bitch" Mulroney did.

[hwacker]

$1:

have a free vote on abortion

I see someone learned the Liberals BS this election. Who says brainwashing doesn’t work.

[grainfedprairieboy]

twister twister:

Harper can't dump kyoto.. (cause they'll be out on thier ass), make mention of gay marriage or have a free vote on abortion.. so it stays status quoa...

The Libranos already dumped Kyoto by exempting Ontario and Queerbecs manufacturing industry. The accord is long dead with bureaucrats and weaseling out of it through exemptions and apathy is probably the greatest accomplishment of the Martin regime.

Since 70% of Canadians are against SSM and even more support the idea of allowing democracy to be exercised in Parliament (what a novel concept) he would be a fool not to. The days of governance through arrogance are done! As for abortion, he was more than clear.

[twister]

hwacker hwacker:

$1:

have a free vote on abortion

I see someone learned the Liberals BS this election. Who says brainwashing doesn’t work.

Oh yes of course and everything the rebulicans and conservatives preach is straight from the gospel. "but its god's honest truth"...... Go blow it out your hat Hwacker..... if it isn't right wing with you it's not the right way... people have OPINIONS. you have yours I have mine.. enough said...

[hwacker]

twister twister:

hwacker hwacker:

$1:

have a free vote on abortion

I see someone learned the Liberals BS this election. Who says brainwashing doesn’t work.

Oh yes of course and everything the rebulicans and conservatives preach is straight from the gospel. "but its god's honest truth"...... Go blow it out your hat Hwacker..... if it isn't right wing with you it's not the right way... people have OPINIONS. you have yours I have mine.. enough said...

Well either you're a liar or brainwashed? Which is it?

Abortion was off the table, the Liberals brought it back up.

[Canadaka]

maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:

Scape Scape:

A lot of mention of BC but there is also the Atlantic provinces that voted 20 Liberals, 3 NDP and only 9 Con. It shows it wasn't just BC that had their doubts in the Cons. Seeing 10 seat in Quebec for the cons is hearting, let's see if they can keep them from the Bloc.

I sure hope so!

Hey Canadaka, when are you gonna have those Quebec/Canada t-shirts ready?

I am actualy working on this now, there is a surprise coming soon in regards to this.

$1:

Well my take on the whole thing.. A minority that can be taken out by the liberals and NDP together should keep things honest and accountable.

Yes this is very good, this government is weaker in numbers than the liberal minority, they will have to tread lightly.


How did I know hwacker would come into this thread and start this shit, liek I specificaly said not too. Stop it!

[twister]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

twister twister:

Harper can't dump kyoto.. (cause they'll be out on thier ass), make mention of gay marriage or have a free vote on abortion.. so it stays status quoa...

The Libranos already dumped Kyoto by exempting Ontario and Queerbecs manufacturing industry. The accord is long dead with bureaucrats and weaseling out of it through exemptions and apathy is probably the greatest accomplishment of the Martin regime.

Since 70% of Canadians are against SSM and even more support the idea of allowing democracy to be exercised in Parliament (what a novel concept) he would be a fool not to. The days of governance through arrogance are done! As for abortion, he was more than clear.

Oh thought you'd actually like to do some reading "grainfed".. but that assumes you can...on the kyoto protocol..

try these websites and the books that come from them....
Kyoto is not dead in Canada by any means...

Just a bunch of Albertans quaking in Ralph "chicken" Klien's shadow... "the sky is falling the sky is falling"

Kyoto Accord

David Suzuki

[twister]

hwacker hwacker:

twister twister:

hwacker hwacker:

$1:

have a free vote on abortion

I see someone learned the Liberals BS this election. Who says brainwashing doesn’t work.

Oh yes of course and everything the rebulicans and conservatives preach is straight from the gospel. "but its god's honest truth"...... Go blow it out your hat Hwacker..... if it isn't right wing with you it's not the right way... people have OPINIONS. you have yours I have mine.. enough said...

Well either you're a liar or brainwashed? Which is it?

Abortion was off the table, the Liberals brought it back up.

Lets see.. so it was the liberals who brought it up.. oh I get it.. oh.. yes.. hmmm I see.. well....

Abortion, Gay Marriage, Canadian troops, health care....just how dumb do you think the average canadian is?

If the conservative would have won a Majority... DumbAss how soon do you think our system would have changed. They would have repealed abortion rights to women ( back to the alleys), we would have two tiered health care like nothing you've ever seen.. "The Rich and everyone else". Gays and lesbians would have been thrown back in the closets ( sorry for the analogy) and we'd be sending our boys not on "peacekeeping missions" but "direct involvement missions".. How soon after a conservative majority win do you think Canadian troops would have been deployed on the groud in IRAQ helping out our American buddies in arms. 6 months at tops...

And why because of American christian fundamentalist right wingnuts.. and how they needle thier way into everyone lives.. just watch good old Rondo

Meet Rondo Thomas

[twister]

Another one you might like too....Stupidity

[hwacker]

twister twister:

hwacker hwacker:

twister twister:

hwacker hwacker:

$1:

have a free vote on abortion

I see someone learned the Liberals BS this election. Who says brainwashing doesn’t work.

Oh yes of course and everything the rebulicans and conservatives preach is straight from the gospel. "but its god's honest truth"...... Go blow it out your hat Hwacker..... if it isn't right wing with you it's not the right way... people have OPINIONS. you have yours I have mine.. enough said...

Well either you're a liar or brainwashed? Which is it?

Abortion was off the table, the Liberals brought it back up.

Lets see.. so it was the liberals who brought it up.. oh I get it.. oh.. yes.. hmmm I see.. well....

Abortion, Gay Marriage, Canadian troops, health care....just how dumb do you think the average canadian is?

If the conservative would have won a Majority... DumbAss how soon do you think our system would have changed. They would have repealed abortion rights to women ( back to the alleys), we would have two tiered health care like nothing you've ever seen.. "The Rich and everyone else". Gays and lesbians would have been thrown back in the closets ( sorry for the analogy) and we'd be sending our boys not on "peacekeeping missions" but "direct involvement missions".. How soon after a conservative majority win do you think Canadian troops would have been deployed on the groud in IRAQ helping out our American buddies in arms. 6 months at tops...

And why because of American christian fundamentalist right wingnuts.. and how they needle thier way into everyone lives.. just watch good old Rondo

Meet Rondo Thomas

I was going to respond to your lies, but you're not worth it. How's PMSH sitting with ya?

[grainfedprairieboy]

twister twister:

Kyoto is not dead in Canada by any means...

Alrighty then, lets go with the auto industry first, since they have been in the news a lot, as we scrutinize your claim!

http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/media ... html?x=593

Can you prove otherwise? I’ve plenty more where this came from.

(Hang onto your hats boys; a lieberal is caught in the writhing grasp of reason and there's no telling how it'll try to spin free!)

[Canadaka]

please move this debate to another thread, start a new one, whatever. You are getting off topic.