[EyeBrock]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

One of the attitudes of the right wing is there are no poor. They are just people temporarily working at low wage jobs or immigrants awaiting accreditation. The majority considers this attitude nuts and won't elect a political party of this ilk. Sorry bud, but Harper does not have the royal jelly that is required of an real leader.

I work with the poor every day bruce.
You still have not answered my question.
How is a provincial responsiblity to deal with welfare and social assistance Harper's fault?
You really should read up on this stuff before you post inaccurate and unfounded comments, and calling Harper an 'asshole' is you're in-articulate opinion.

You don't seem to be able to support any of you're statements with facts. Posting utter crap often does not make it any more credible.

[uwish]

Canadaka Canadaka:

Why, because the majority of Canadians don't support what the Conservative party or Stephan Harper stands for. There is a far greater number of voters on the progressive side than the conservative side.

Even with a Liberal party that over the last 3 years has been without a leader, divided then having kind of a weak leader, Harper still can't improve his numbers. 30% popular vote is pretty much the ceiling of conservative support in Canada, even with most the chips in there favour.

And to say there havn't been major flaws isn't correct. Sure depending on your political believes or support for Harper, some might not be flaws, but there have been numerous broken promises. Take the income trusts for example.
More: http://www.scandalpedia.ca/Scandals.html

And he's made several flaws in his campaign that lost him support, his crime package didnt sell well in quebec and the arts funding comments really hurt him there. The conservatives have also been slow to combat things the Bloc have been saying about them in Quebec, often taking days to respond.
His comments about the economic problems have not helped either, until he finaly has changed is tone the last few days.

I doubt a very large % of voters are seriously swayed now by the harper hidden agenda and bush linking stuff, they have plently of other real reasons to not like him.

BS

if they even remotely support the liberals and their scandals then you would see at a minimum a liberal minority.

you seem to like pointing a fingure perhaps you forgot why the liberals were kicked out in the first place? or do you support cash in paper bags for friends of the liberals?

please, grow up. Status quo isn't working anymore

so you say Canadians don't support senate reform?
lower taxes?
stronger military?
tough on crime?
reduced gov. waste?


I think not, and your claim that Canadians don't support those ideas is completly false, in fact. I have not found a Canauk who DOESN'T support those ideals which are at the heart of the CPC platform.

[Scape]

terrance_s terrance_s:

Well im interested in knowing why they wont be winning a majority goverment this election.

I mean, what have been the 'major' flaws in their campaign that justify their recent drop in support on their own part.

1) Failed to break the Bloc. In fact they are going to lose the seats they won last election and this is a Bloc that is past its prime but Quebec is voting for the devil they know. This has everything to do with Harper trying 14 year olds as adults and the cuts to arts funding. Pulling out of Afghanistan didn't make the breakthrough he needed.

2) As Quebec swings so too does Ontario. If they see the Bloc winning there they in turn vote for the Liberals because if there is a base for the Liberals it is Ontario whereas Harper's base is in Alberta. Harper has made major inroads there but the auto sector is in ruins and they are looking for someone to keep their jobs.

3) The scuttling of the Atlantic Accord. This squelched the Harper message in the maritimes. They will still win seats but they will be in limited numbers. Even MacKay in Central Nova will be hard pressed to keep his seat from the NDP. The Irving family will make sure a few seats go to Harper.

4) The scuttling of the Kelowna Accord. Natives are upset that a $5 Billion dollar package that would have sealed the deal on the treaties was nixed for political reasons. This will have more effect out west then out east.

5) Economic crisis. It caught all the parties off balance but the brunt of the blame for bad times will always go towards the government in power regardless of the actual cause. This did more damage to Harper then breaking his own fixed election law.

6) Negative campaigning by the Harper camp that focused on Dion had the effect of putting all the eggs in one basket. Thus making the Harper platform look as if it was a one issue platform (attack Dion) rather than an issue based party. The attacks worked last election because of the ad scam scandal but Harper failed to change gears all he did was change the names. The constant and unrelenting attacks by Harper had the effect of 'he doth protest too much' in the minds of the electorate. Harper overstated his attacks and understated his platform which he only released less than a week ago yet he has been attacking Dion since 2006. In the end negative campaigning does work but it loses impact and people turn out after the same tune being played.

[EyeBrock]

Really Scape, the Tories have run a shite campaign. I voted for them because they are the least shite (in my opinion) of the four options available.
I don't think the Liberals can be very proud of their campaign either. Dion has been even worse than Harper.
The two leaders (in my view) who have performed the best have been Layton and Duceppe. The NDP and the Bloc have run good, solid campaigns and deserve to take seats from both the Tories and Liberals.

Personally I think the missed factor here is that the NDP will be taking seats from the Liberals, not the Tories.
I think this will mean that the CPC will gain more seats than last time by default and it could even mean a narrow majority for them.

We shall see in 24 hrs!

[Bruce_the_vii]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

One of the attitudes of the right wing is there are no poor. They are just people temporarily working at low wage jobs or immigrants awaiting accreditation. The majority considers this attitude nuts and won't elect a political party of this ilk. Sorry bud, but Harper does not have the royal jelly that is required of an real leader.

I work with the poor every day bruce.
You still have not answered my question.
How is a provincial responsiblity to deal with welfare and social assistance Harper's fault?
You really should read up on this stuff before you post inaccurate and unfounded comments, and calling Harper an 'asshole' is you're in-articulate opinion.

You don't seem to be able to support any of you're statements with facts. Posting utter crap often does not make it any more credible.

Thank you for reading my two cents worth. I believe I touched on why Harper is responsible for the poor. It's true that welfare and disability are provincial responsibilities but the federal government has other roles: taxes, child care and transfers to the provinces. In addition the federal government is responsible for the state of the union, anything that happens. Toronto is posting this awful statistics and Harper has never said boo.

However I do have better information on immigration. Immigration has foster the growth of low wages in Toronto for 35 years, in the last deep recession the Toronto economy stalled for 7 years - from 1990 to 1997 - but the immigration department moved 535,000 new immigrants into the city before 1 net new job was created, and currently the employment rate in the city is well below prosperous Alberta. Compared to Alberta the real unemployment rate in the Metro half of the Greater Area is 15%. The immigration department continues to move 87,000 new immigrants into the area per year. I have sent these observations to the CPC cabinet and got polite replies but Harper himself thinks this is some sort of game to be played with people's lives. He's a pig.

[Reverend Blair]

The NDP did run a good campaign. They also have the best shot at taking seats from Conservatives in the west.

While the NDP and Bloc ran good campaigns, the Liberals out-classed the Conservatives. They started with a leader that had been all but written off and fought back.

The Conservatives, on the other hand, have been running a brutal attack campaign for two years. It was all negative all the time, void of vision or ideas, and based on distortion and lies. If it works, it will be a sad commentary on Canadian politics.

I would say though that it points to something we need to do to our laws. Campaign expenses outside the writ period, even if they are spent the day after the last election, should be counted as campaign expenses. That way if one party wants to run attack ads a year before the election, it will be money they can't spend later.

[Bruce_the_vii]

hwacker hwacker:

If this is all about wages then you better tell your people to be smarter, because if we did what Jack wants and make the minimum 15 dollars an hour it will just make milk $10.00 a liter.

I think I should take a pot shot at this guy. He's got 10,000 opinions and is railing about poor, lazy people.

If you look at the census data woman in Canada are not doing all that well income wise. Average income in many cities is $26,000 indicating many women are earning $8 to $12 an hour. This is because woman are still largely the child rearers. So while exploitive wages make life cheaper and better for the middle it falls on mothers to bear the low wage burden.

[Reverend Blair]

I've been through the NDP platform. There's nothing in there about raising the minimum wage for cows.

[Bruce_the_vii]

xxx

[Wally_Sconce]

my wife pays $26k in taxes every year. You must have married your wife for her ass instead of her brains

[Wally_Sconce]

nice, replace that long post with 'xxx' eh?

[Reverend Blair]

That's one of the many problems with Conservative policy, Bruce. Women tend to make less. Poor people have less chance of moving up the social scale.

[Wally_Sconce]

with liberal policy, the $100 per month childcare support cheque will get replaced with a multibillion dollar boondoggle just like everything that the liberals touch.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Now Red that's not nice.

[Reverend Blair]

Ah yeah, because childcare doesn't matter. So what if it's a obstacle to single women finding gainful employment? So what if it's a debilitating expense for a lot working families? In the Conservative world June Cleaver stays home with the kids while Ward goes to the office and boffs the secretary.