[OnTheIce]

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

Since you admit the cons are hiding their (numerous) radical elements I will reiterate the difference for you yet again.

Regardless of how certain individual Liberal MPS may not reflect core Canadian and Liberal values, the Liberals have shown that they will uphold the rights of all Canadians unlike harper and the cons who won't.

It doesn't matter if martin is personally opossed to SSM or any Liberal doesn't agree with abortion, its that the party will uphold these rights because its the moral thing to do. Harper won't.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

Since you admit the cons are hiding their (numerous) radical elements I will reiterate the difference for you yet again.

Regardless of how certain individual Liberal MPS may not reflect core Canadian and Liberal values, the Liberals have shown that they will uphold the rights of all Canadians unlike harper and the cons who won't.

It doesn't matter if martin is personally opossed to SSM or any Liberal doesn't agree with abortion, its that the party will uphold these rights because its the moral thing to do. Harper won't.

Every party is hiding their mouthpieces. It happens in every election. Why are the Liberals bringing it up when they're doing the same thing?

You think Harper won't uphold certain rights and you're entitled to your opinion and your assumptions.

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DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

Since you admit the cons are hiding their (numerous) radical elements I will reiterate the difference for you yet again.

Regardless of how certain individual Liberal MPS may not reflect core Canadian and Liberal values, the Liberals have shown that they will uphold the rights of all Canadians unlike harper and the cons who won't.

It doesn't matter if martin is personally opossed to SSM or any Liberal doesn't agree with abortion, its that the party will uphold these rights because its the moral thing to do. Harper won't.

DODGE

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

Since you admit the cons are hiding their (numerous) radical elements I will reiterate the difference for you yet again.

Regardless of how certain individual Liberal MPS may not reflect core Canadian and Liberal values, the Liberals have shown that they will uphold the rights of all Canadians unlike harper and the cons who won't.

It doesn't matter if martin is personally opossed to SSM or any Liberal doesn't agree with abortion, its that the party will uphold these rights because its the moral thing to do. Harper won't.

Every party is hiding their mouthpieces. It happens in every election. Why are the Liberals bringing it up when they're doing the same thing?

You think Harper won't uphold certain rights and you're entitled to your opinion and your assumptions.

Again the difference is that the Liberals have proved they will uphold those rights while harper would like nothing better then to abolish them. Add that to the fact that the right-wing con ageneda has always been about promoting (only) hard-core Xtian values and beliefs into law and you understand why the cons can never be given a majority and Canadians will only tolerate a con minority for a short term to punish the Libs.

Few Canadians are voting CPC because they believe in them, rather they are voting "not-Liberal" to punish the libs. That is not an endorsement of the cons in any way shape or form.

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"The Prime Minister must immediately recall parliament to introduce new abortion legislation" - Paul Martin (Halifax Daily News, July 20, 1989)

Also, Paul Martin on abortion laws and judicial activism:

"It's very clear that we are going to have 10 different [abortion] laws and that we are going to have these laws made by judges" (Halifax Chronicle-Herald, July 20, 1989)

Joe Fontana said that abortion should be limited to "exceptional extenuating circumstances" involving rape or incest (London Free Press, October 12, 1988). Joe Fontana is the current Minister of Labour

Minister of Veterens Affairs Albina Guarnieri on abortion and judicial activism and a woman's choice: "The decision as to which life merits protection cannot be left to judges, doctors, or even women themselves. The issue must be dealt with on a national level by Parliament so that we as elected representatives may once and for all establish the supremacy of life and the protection of the unborn as would befit a civilized society. We must not be condemned by a future Parliament for legitimizing the termination of hundreds of thousands of unborn Canadians" (Hansard, November 23, 1989)

"Bill C-43 is abortion on demand with red tape...In effect, the legislation makes it possible for women to seek and obtain abortions for reasons that may have more to do with lifestyle considerations than with actual physical endangerment" - Albina Guarnieri (Hansard, November 23, 1989).

"In fact, the health clause will operate as nothing more than a rubber stamp condonement of abortion on demand. It will allow women to abort their unborn child based on a fleeting notion of immediate convenience" - Albina Guarnieri (Hansard, November 23, 1989).

"To imperiously determine which life should be afforded protection of the law and which should not would leave our society extremely susceptible to the social decision-making characteristic of the genocidal policies of certain Third World nations" - Albina Guarnieri (Hansard, November 23, 1989).

Joe McGuire, the current Minister of ACOA called abortion "the murder of another human being" (Hansard, November 27, 1989)

Consider Minister of Immigration Joe Volpe's comments on abortion: "The government has contented itself with casting the issue in the context of abortion, a context which invariably favours the rights of those who are present against those who are silent, a context which too often is seen as purely a woman's issue" (Hansard, November 22, 1989)

Tom Wappel quotes?

"There is no legal right to abortion in this country, according to the Supreme Court of Canada." - Tom Wappel, former Martin Liberal MP

According to Wikipedia: In his nomination speech, Wappel called for abortion to be made a criminal offense with a maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

Here are some more quotes by Liberal MPs:

Maurizio Bevilacqua:
"Hon. members, everything I believe, everything that I hold dear, my social and cultural make-up, my personal beliefs as a human being, tells me that abortion is wrong. I feel within myself, passionately, that abortion is against the natural order. It negates the essence of our being" - Maurizio Bevilacqua (Hansard, November 27, 1989).

"I do not understand how any of us can accept giving the responsibility and the right to anyone to decide on who will live and who will not" - Maurizio Bevilacqua (Hansard, November 27, 1989).

Paul Szabo is a current Liberal MP and gave his opinion on what choice he believes women have:
"Last year there were over 110,000 abortions in Canada with a cost to our health care system of over $10 million. That is over 300 abortions each and every day. It says that each year 110,000 mistakes are made at the expense of all Canadians by those who fail to act responsibly. Is it too much to ask Canadians just to be responsible for their actions? We do have a choice and that choice should be made before we act, not after we have failed to act responsibly" - Paul Szabo (Hansard, November 27, 1998).

Alan Tonks (another current Liberal MP):
"Generally speaking, I opt on the side of life. I don't support carte-blanche abortion," Mr. Tonks said. "If there was a motion that was presented to review and send to committee, whatever the nature of the change being asked, I would always support it going to the committee" (Globe and Mail, January 14, 2006).

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hear about the CPC "hiding" candidates, but where's Liberal MP Tom Wappell?

Mr. Wappell didn't open his campaign office until 2 weeks ago. Further, he has been ducking all candidates meetings and he's not out door knocking.

Could the Liberals be muzzling the man who thinks abortion should be a criminal offence with a sentence of life in jail?

Could the Liberals be muzzling a man that things gay people can't make a family?

Of course not. Only the Conservatives muzzle their candidates!

Since you admit the cons are hiding their (numerous) radical elements I will reiterate the difference for you yet again.

Regardless of how certain individual Liberal MPS may not reflect core Canadian and Liberal values, the Liberals have shown that they will uphold the rights of all Canadians unlike harper and the cons who won't.

It doesn't matter if martin is personally opossed to SSM or any Liberal doesn't agree with abortion, its that the party will uphold these rights because its the moral thing to do. Harper won't.

Every party is hiding their mouthpieces. It happens in every election. Why are the Liberals bringing it up when they're doing the same thing?

You think Harper won't uphold certain rights and you're entitled to your opinion and your assumptions.

Again the difference is that the Liberals have proved they will uphold those rights while harper would like nothing better then to abolish them. Add that to the fact that the right-wing con ageneda has always been about promoting (only) hard-core Xtian values and beliefs into law and you understand why the cons can never be given a majority and Canadians will only tolerate a con minority for a short term to punish the Libs.

Few Canadians are voting CPC because they believe in them, rather they are voting "not-Liberal" to punish the libs. That is not an endorsement of the cons in any way shape or form.

And the CPC have not yet had the chance to prove anything.

Your comments are pure speculation and fearmongering. Nothing less.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

And the CPC have not yet had the chance to prove anything.

Your comments are pure speculation and fearmongering. Nothing less.

Fearmongering? Hardly. Its a well known fact that the conservatives favour eactly that. The only reason they are hiding it is because they know they wouldn't get any seat outside of Alberta if their true agenda got out.

Speculative? That describes everything anyone believes about anything 1 nanosecond past the present.

The fact is that given half a chance harper will do just that.

Martin was brave & insightful to push SSM past his own beliefs and that of many in our public because its the right thing to do. The Liberals have always upheld Canada's stance on abortion which is the most progressive in the world.

The Liberals do what is right even if its against the popular vote. harper won't.

[hwacker]

$1:

Martin was brave & insightful to push SSM

Not if one of his sons is a queer.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

And the CPC have not yet had the chance to prove anything.

Your comments are pure speculation and fearmongering. Nothing less.

Fearmongering? Hardly. Its a well known fact that the conservatives favour eactly that. The only reason they are hiding it is because they know they wouldn't get any seat outside of Alberta if their true agenda got out.

Speculative? That describes everything anyone believes about anything 1 nanosecond past the present.

The fact is that given half a chance harper will do just that.

Martin was brave & insightful to push SSM past his own beliefs and that of many in our public because its the right thing to do. The Liberals have always upheld Canada's stance on abortion which is the most progressive in the world.

The Liberals do what is right even if its against the popular vote. harper won't.

Again, pure speculation.

Harper has said he would not revisit the abortion issue. However, you and the rest of the Liberals assume he will. So when someone says they won't do something and you tell them they will, it's called fearmongering.

There is no fact.

Speculation. Peroid.

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shhhhhh,you libs arent supposed to mention the hidden agenda.

$1:

Fearmongering? Hardly. Its a well known fact that the conservatives favour eactly that. The only reason they are hiding it is because they know they wouldn't get any seat outside of Alberta if their true agenda got out.

at least according to some . Thanks for clarifying your position there.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Again, pure speculation.

Harper has said he would not revisit the abortion issue. However, you and the rest of the Liberals assume he will. So when someone says they won't do something and you tell them they will, it's called fearmongering.

There is no fact.

Speculation. Peroid.

(1) Martin was cleared and only a few Liberals were implicated in "corruption" yet it doesn't stop you from calling all Liberals corrupt.

(2) Harper has expressed opposition to SSM and his BS about holding a "free vote" is nothing less then a cowardly way to escape taking responsibilty for any decision that must be made.

(3) It takes courage to push SSM against popular bogotry against it. It was the same when the rights were womens or black people's.

(4) I've read the CPC website proclamation stating they won't change Canada's progressive stance on abortion. Since you don't believe anythin Martin or the Liberals say you will agree that I (and all CDNs) are perfectly justified in not believing harper, especially necause it conflicts with well-known con stances.

(5) harper eats babies.

[DerbyX]

ziggy ziggy:

shhhhhh,you libs arent supposed to mention the hidden agenda.

$1:

Fearmongering? Hardly. Its a well known fact that the conservatives favour eactly that. The only reason they are hiding it is because they know they wouldn't get any seat outside of Alberta if their true agenda got out.

at least according to some . Thanks for clarifying your position there.

Can you offer any other explanation why the cons have "publically stated" a reversal of previously iron-clad policies concerning abortion & SSM?

[ziggy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Again, pure speculation.

Harper has said he would not revisit the abortion issue. However, you and the rest of the Liberals assume he will. So when someone says they won't do something and you tell them they will, it's called fearmongering.

There is no fact.

Speculation. Peroid.

(1) Martin was cleared and only a few Liberals were implicated in "corruption" yet it doesn't stop you from calling all Liberals corrupt.

(2) Harper has expressed opposition to SSM and his BS about holding a "free vote" is nothing less then a cowardly way to escape taking responsibilty for any decision that must be made.

(3) It takes courage to push SSM against popular bogotry against it. It was the same when the rights were womens or black people's.

(4) I've read the CPC website proclamation stating they won't change Canada's progressive stance on abortion. Since you don't believe anythin Martin or the Liberals say you will agree that I (and all CDNs) are perfectly justified in not believing harper, especially necause it conflicts with well-known con stances.

(5) harper eats babies.

Derby,only a few liberals? So how many is ok before you say enough,we have crossed the line? Just one case of corruption is one too many my friend.

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DerbyX DerbyX:

ziggy ziggy:

shhhhhh,you libs arent supposed to mention the hidden agenda.

$1:

Fearmongering? Hardly. Its a well known fact that the conservatives favour eactly that. The only reason they are hiding it is because they know they wouldn't get any seat outside of Alberta if their true agenda got out.

at least according to some . Thanks for clarifying your position there.

Can you offer any other explanation why the cons have "publically stated" a reversal of previously iron-clad policies concerning abortion & SSM?

That's why the military will be in the streets with guns....in our cities....to stop abortions,gun down those woman that would even think of an abortion,I'm not making this up.