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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:35 pm
One reasons to oppose the Ignatieff candidate in your riding = They're a member of the Liberal Party 
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:02 pm
dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno: One reasons to oppose the Ignatieff candidate in your riding = They're a member of the Liberal Party  How intelligent and insightful of you to say. 
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:06 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace: dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno: One reasons to oppose the Ignatieff candidate in your riding = They're a member of the Liberal Party  How intelligent and insightful of you to say.  That is friendly banter sarcasm. DBR is a good egg. 
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:38 pm
I'd like to form a new line farther to the left, if I might.
My criticism is not of this list in itself, but in the idea of the list. While we do base a lot of our decisions off of whether or not a party does something, or if they do things that they shouldn't do, a lot of the time elections seem to degrade from the beginning platforms into various stages of partisan hackery, squabbling matches, and other such spectacles which the media encourages because it's good for the bottom line.
Eventually, discussions and rhetoric turn away from real platforms, definable goals, long term plans and past successes of the parties and turns more into who can fling more poo at various leaders. Some are startlingly brunt about this, like Harper and his attack ads and Ignatieff and his comments in the media. Eventually it breaks down to "Harper has a bad haircut and injures kittens" versus "Ignatieff is from America and smells of diseased elderberries."
When I look at these lists, I don't see something which is going to bring about discussion which will advance the political climate of our country. What I see is imposed negativity which will immediately cause people to leap to polarized positions. I have to admit that there are some things on that list which I do not perceive as negatives. There are a few other things on that list which I would not consider purely a problem of the current government (lots of problems cross multiple governments), a few problems other parties are complicit in and a few problems which have analogous issues in other parties as it stands now, historical or otherwise. But I couldn't think of a lot of positive things to say about any party -- and that exemplifies my problems with these sort of lists for any party.
They breed disdain, kill discussion, polarize the masses and impose ideals (rather than debate them). It doesn't take me a step closer to feeling a different party would be more effectual, or in a better spot. These sorts of discussions rarely go in positive directions for any party. So to keep it short, my problem is with the ideal of the list existing rather than the content straight up, no matter which party was represented.
This is not a shot at you, Derby, it's more a personal dislike of lists of this type.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:41 pm
DerbyX DerbyX: Because we haven't quite got that fever pitch animosity yet ..... Those bashing the list please queue to the left. Those bashing me please queue to the right. If you stand in the middle... liberal-communist-Mao loving PETA pusher and their foiler agenda tanks in our cities lies with one stone... 
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:48 pm
Gunnair Gunnair: If you stand in the middle... liberal-communist-Mao loving PETA pusher and their foiler agenda tanks in our cities lies with one stone...  You have to wonder. Are they deliberately making absurd statements to get publicity or do they really believe that shite? Gender neutral terms in the bible for animals?????  I rechecked the link several times to make sure it wasn't landover stuff. OK. Against KFC chicken culling. I can understand. Non-offensive animal terms rewritten in the bible??? Nobody is that stupid....?
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:57 am
DerbyX DerbyX: Nobody is that stupid....? I hate to say it, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the human ability to surmount previous records in stupidity.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:08 am
Khar Khar: They breed disdain, kill discussion, polarize the masses and impose ideals (rather than debate them). Were you talking about the list, or the Harper government here?
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:16 am
The Catch 22 Harper Conservatives group has a list of the most vulnerable Conservative ridings. If you find yourself living in a riding that is unlikely to be swayed, it might be worthwhile to volunteer in a catch-22 riding instead.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:34 am
DerbyX DerbyX: Because we haven't quite got that fever pitch animosity yet ..... http://rabble.ca/news/2011/01/ten-reaso ... our-ridingThose bashing the list please queue to the left. Those bashing me please queue to the right. Rabble a great site where different views are expressed, not. As soon as they sense you lean right you get banned. 
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:56 am
Bodah Bodah: Rabble a great site where common sense views are expressed, not. As soon as they sense you are sane you get banned.  fixed for accuracy. Actually, I'm sort of pissed about this election because I can't vote,as we've been out of the country for more than five years and can't give a definite date(sometime in late 2012 wasn't good enough)of return. I pay property taxes(in two separate ridings) in Canada and I pay income tax on investment income, yet I can't vote to try and get rid of Anita Neville.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:32 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: DerbyX DerbyX: Nobody is that stupid....? I hate to say it, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the human ability to surmount previous records in stupidity. True story.
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scarecrowe
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:53 am
I am a Conservative. I personally know high profile members including one who ran for leadership. I admire their principals and morals. The Conservative majority has chosen some obnoxious leaders (more so recently than in the past). Certain MPs should never come back to public life (... ODA). Actions speak louder than words and their act has to cleanup. There are far too many lunatic right wingers in the party embraced by the core. The choices are such that I have no choice but to vote for them again because of what remains. Sad.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:02 am
The last three elections was Harper wanting one and now the opposition parties had to bring the Tory govt down because they wouldn't obey Parliament. Even Mulroney, wasn't that stupid or arrogantto go against Parliament. So now we have another election and its all about contempt of Parliament even though Harper says Canadians don't care about how the Tories act or don't act. I say, a majority of Canadians do care about scams, schemes and corruption within the government. Harper should have resigned his seat as PM because he refused to follow Parliament's requested for information Parliament needed. So if you care about a true and honest government and democracy, then you can not vote for the Tories, but if you only care about party lines, than you will throw out democracy and vote a dishonest and dictatorial party back in.
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