[Jaime_Souviens]

xerxes xerxes:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

xerxes xerxes:

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

I assume that the news media outlets are doing everything they can to under-report the Conservative rise.


By the end of the day, Martin will be as old as last Wednesday's poutine.

What channel have you been watching? All the news I've seen is obvious in its reporting of the sheer inevitablity of a Harper win. There has been no "under-reporting" that I've seen.

This is classic. I make a point based on a relative level of degree, and you make it an absolute all-or-nothing.

So why do you do it? I assume it's because you're looking for a chance at a cheap retort, and by overstating my point, you can seem to have a quick comeback.

Or is it just because your thinking is so limited everything is just black and white, stimulus and response, yin or yang?


So, which is it, cheap ploy or intellectual limitation?

Neither. You said that the media was under-reporting the CPC rise. I replied, by way of inquiry, where you had been getting your news fix. Because I (and MCB is backing me up on this [thank you by the way]) have not seen any evidence of that in the media. Not CBC, not Global, not CTV, not anyone is diminishing Harper and the CPC's inevitable success come Monday.

Right.

You're deliberately conflating the percentage rise with success or failure.

I say under-reporting of the conservative % support and you mis-characterize as under-reporting of election victory.

So, again, which is it, cheap ploy or intellectual limitation?

[Jaime_Souviens]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Actually, I'm going through a happiness thing right now, Tallywhacker. Generally, when the Conservatives get more seats, so do the NDP. When the NDP get more seats, real issues make it onto the agenda. Then the Conservatives collapse in a fit of cannibalism (something we're about to see the Liberals do right now) and we see a shift to the left.

Right,

Failure is Victory.


Just like :

State power = personal liberation.

High taxation = economic prosperity.

Government dependence = individual fufillment.

Moral relativism = ethical integrity.


And all the other doublespeak of Socialism.

[Rev_Blair]

Just the way things tend to go, Jaime Souviens. Funny thing about remembering.

[Tricks]

I am seriously hoping for a con majority, cause then no dealing with the bloc, no listening to NDP whine, and you can shove it up all liberals' asses

[Motorcycleboy]

Ruserious Ruserious:

In all fairness ziggy, I've actually heard this issue about the Sholdice Clinic explained in depth and truth is, Jack's visit there wasn't the deal people are making it out to be.

It's a not for profit facility.

Neither were the "4P" private/public partnerships the Ontario Conservatives tried to bring in under Harris. In fact, they were designed along the same lines.

But that was derailed by NDP/Union/Liberal fear mongering.

Why is the Shouldice Clinic that Jack Layton attends acceptable, but any expansion of that concept by a Conservative government a "sell out to American Corporate style health care?"

[Motorcycleboy]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

The public housing thing is just another lie. Layton and Chow paid what they owed based on their income in a mixed housing facility. The idea was that those with more money paid more, subsidizing the cost for those who had less.

That's true. Layton and Chow got a raw deal on that. It was a project designed to integrate a mixture of people from various income groups.

But the Shouldice clinic controversy is fair game. He's wrapped himself in the Canadian flag and promoted the idea that only unionized, public employees are capable of delivering health care in Canada.

For him to then turn around and visit a clinic that employs some degree of private sector involvement is hypocritical.

[Tricks]

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

[RUEZ]

Tricks Tricks:

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

So true, and he would try to shut down the very clinics he took advantage of.

[Ruserious]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Ruserious Ruserious:

In all fairness ziggy, I've actually heard this issue about the Sholdice Clinic explained in depth and truth is, Jack's visit there wasn't the deal people are making it out to be.

It's a not for profit facility.

Neither were the "4P" private/public partnerships the Ontario Conservatives tried to bring in under Harris. In fact, they were designed along the same lines.

But that was derailed by NDP/Union/Liberal fear mongering.

Why is the Shouldice Clinic that Jack Layton attends acceptable, but any expansion of that concept by a Conservative government a "sell out to American Corporate style health care?"

Simple.. it's a not for profit.

Shouldice accepts your OHIP card whereas the Conservatives want to bring in American style HMO's which want your credit card.

41 million Americans have no access to health care.. because they can't afford it.

[Ruserious]

Tricks Tricks:

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

Says the kid who until last night didn't even know how the riding boundaries were divided up or who Nelson Mandela or Sid Ryan were..

Run along now junior.

[ziggy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

So true, and he would try to shut down the very clinics he took advantage of.

It is a bit hypocritical isnt it?

[Tricks]

Ruserious Ruserious:

Tricks Tricks:

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

Says the kid who until last night didn't even know how the riding boundaries were divided up or who Nelson Mandela or Sid Ryan were..

Run along now junior.

Coming from the person who supports the party that insulted the Military. WHo BTW gave him freedom. Ass

I have no need to know how the ridings are divided up out side my own. So it is understandable to people who are not complete fucktards

[RUEZ]

ziggy ziggy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

Layton is a fucking idiot when it comes to money. If he was ever elected our economy would be worse then any africa country ever was.

So true, and he would try to shut down the very clinics he took advantage of.

It is a bit hypocritical isnt it?

Yes sir it is.

[ziggy]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

The Shouldice Clinic thing was a bit of scandal-mongering by a group of people who have no use for the truth though, Ruserious. The whole story is just another example of Conservatives corrupting the truth. You know the type...half-bright rednecks who lack the intellectual wherewithal to do anything more than jabber like chimps about things they know nothing about.

Do you get a tax break as an ordained minister?

Be truthfull now ok?

[hwacker]

Harper Headed For 24 Sussex Drive
Conservatives (38%, +1 Point) Hold 12-Point Lead Over Liberals (26%, -3 Points), While NDP (19%, +1 Point) And Green Party (5%, Unchanged) Remain Static
In Quebec: Bloc Quebecois (46%, +3 Points), Conservatives (27%, +6 Points) And Liberals (14%, -10 Points)
Seat Projection Model: Conservatives 143-147, Liberals 59-63, NDP 39-43, And Bloc Quebecois 59-63






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