[mtbr]

He attributes the last election loss to Conservative advertising.

Nothing to do with the sponsorship scandal.


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[ridenrain]

Aw come on. They don't have anything to work with so the Libs need to claw at anything they can.
Like somehow one party spending it's own money is somehow worst than another party steeling taxpayers money?

Someone pointed out that all of the Liberal lawn signs during the 2006 election had Paul Martin's face on them, and the actual riding candidate in small text down below.
.. but that was somehow different in the eyes of Elections Canada.

[SigPig]

$1:

If you had taken 50,000 votes out of some of the three or four million that were cast and re-configured them in a different way, you would have a minority Liberal government.

I liked this part. What does this have to do with the money??? It sounds like Goodale is promoting vote tampering.

"re-configured"...What? You mean if more people HADN'T voted for the other guys and voted for you, you would have won???? Weird.....

[dino_bobba_renno]

You know the truly sad thing is most Canadians don't see this issue for being wha it really is and that it is really nothing more than a dispute between a political party and elections Canada over spending rules. They don't see the fact that just about every party has come across this same issue in one form or another nor do they see this how this ties into the conservatives lawsuit against elections Canada. Why? *Scratches his chin* hmm, maybe it has something to do with the way in which this entire issue has been reported by the media.

It's funny how there has been no mention of the documents that were to used against elections Canada the day after the warrant was executed in the conservatives case against Elections Canada were among those taken by the RCMP. Why were those files taken? What if anything did they have to do with elections Canada case against the conservatives? But yet not a peep about them.

It's also ironic how the conservative party has more than co-operated with elections Canada in the past and have willingly given them any and every document they have requested but for some unknown reason elections Canada deemed it necessary to go to a court in Toronto (not Ottawa!) to get a search warrant for these particular ones. But again, not a mention of that in the media.

It's also very questionable as to why not only the media was tipped off about the search but the Liberal party as well. The Liberals claim that they weren't tipped off of course but I guess it was just a fluke that they happened to have their own camera crew there. Again, not much has been said about that either.

If Goodale takes Canadians as a bunch of uninformed idiots he's probably right in doing so. With the way this entire issue has been covered by the press he should very secure in making bold claims and throwing around accusations that it was these spending improprieties that cost the Libs the election and not the Liberals own corrupt practices. After all when you have the most of Canadian press backing your claims why wouldn't you feel secure throwing around accusations like that, it's not like the Canadian press will take him to task on it.

[kenmore]

actually I dont think the sponsorship scandal was a big deal for alot of ordinary folk who just vote are not partisan and really dont follow politics.
I worked on a campaign and part of that included calling people. we asked the question regarding the scandal issue and alot of people hadnt even been following the story.. so maybe it wasnt all that for some people. I do think the advertising by the torys to make fun of candidates for their personal disabilities or physical deformities etc is wrong. Hate to go back there but I remember working neurology during the Kim Campbell fiasco. I was in the patient lounge when an ad came on depicting M. Chretien and his facial paralysis. the ad said would you want this to represent you ?.. there was an uproar in the lounge. one guy who had suffered a head injury and as a result had slow speech issues said do the torys think I am not good enough, so i couldnt run for office.. it came back to haunt them but I dont think they have learned much in that regard.. usin tax payers money to pay for ads is just wrong! no matter what party it is.

[ridenrain]

kenmore kenmore:

actually I dont think the sponsorship scandal was a big deal ...

Well. what a suprise that was.
I bet the income trust leak was no big deal either, or cancelling the helicopter deal was a good thing, or buying those challenger jets was good also..

[sasquatch2]

Actually if this shit is true all the toies did was try to level the playing field.

After all the tories don't own the CBC..........

[kenmore]

ridenrain..if you are going to quote use the whole quote.. actually I dont think the sponsorship scandal was a big deal for alot of ordinary folk who just vote are not partisan and really dont follow politics.
now why dont you comment on the fraud deal the torys pulled off last election..money laundering of sorts... but guess you wont.. birds of a feather and all that eh>>

[kenmore]

i really love how you torys can cover up shit.. like I say fuck everybody but do it in the name of Jesus.. the rightwing thing to do....

[ShepherdsDog]

people weren't paid to vote one way or the other.

[ridenrain]

kenmore kenmore:

ridenrain..if you are going to quote use the whole quote.. actually I dont think the sponsorship scandal was a big deal for alot of ordinary folk who just vote are not partisan and really dont follow politics.
now why dont you comment on the fraud deal the torys pulled off last election..money laundering of sorts... but guess you wont.. birds of a feather and all that eh>>

If folks don't follow politics, why do you think they'd follow you're spin on things? There's a huge difference in the voters mind between stealing taxpayers money and overspending their own. The really damning thing is just the fact that even lazy voters do remember who was the prime minister and who was in power, and they can see that things are better now than what they were before.
Never the less, the Liberal media likes stories aimed at the dumber or less informed voter so you should be happy about that. I choose to hold the average Canadian in higher esteem than that.

[mtbr]

The Liberals (Dion) are now trying to tell us that an alleged over spending of 1 million dollars on advertising has changed the course of history

They really do think Canadians are morons, what a fucking insult.

I would like to be the head honcho at that advertising firm, I'm sure their phones will be ringing of the hook. 1 million dollars can buy you a country leadership.

Dion is a doorknob.

[ridenrain]

I think Zackerdelly had a bigger influence but no one called him on that because he knows where all the skeletons are buried.

[hurley_108]

SigPig SigPig:

$1:

If you had taken 50,000 votes out of some of the three or four million that were cast and re-configured them in a different way, you would have a minority Liberal government.

I liked this part. What does this have to do with the money??? It sounds like Goodale is promoting vote tampering.

"re-configured"...What? You mean if more people HADN'T voted for the other guys and voted for you, you would have won???? Weird.....

What he means is that the 22 closest races in which Conservatives defeated Liberals were ddecided by a total of about 50000 votes. In other words, 50000 votes decided who was in power.

Now, if advertising has absolutely no effect on the way people vote, then yea, Goodale is out to lunch. But if it does, and every party seems to think it does the way they all run ads and put up signs, then spending 5% over and above the advertising limit in a race decided by .3% of the votes cast, then yea, there might have been a hint of influence.

[mtbr]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

SigPig SigPig:

$1:

If you had taken 50,000 votes out of some of the three or four million that were cast and re-configured them in a different way, you would have a minority Liberal government.

I liked this part. What does this have to do with the money??? It sounds like Goodale is promoting vote tampering.

"re-configured"...What? You mean if more people HADN'T voted for the other guys and voted for you, you would have won???? Weird.....

What he means is that the 22 closest races in which Conservatives defeated Liberals were ddecided by a total of about 50000 votes. In other words, 50000 votes decided who was in power.

Now, if advertising has absolutely no effect on the way people vote, then yea, Goodale is out to lunch. But if it does, and every party seems to think it does the way they all run ads and put up signs, then spending 5% over and above the advertising limit in a race decided by .3% of the votes cast, then yea, there might have been a hint of influence.

Over looking the fact the real reason that Canadians through them out on their ass.