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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:55 pm
 


About 35,500 prison inmates eligible to vote in federal election
JOHN COTTER
Mon Jan 2, 4:31 PM ET
EDMONTON (CP) - They are Canada's most captive voters.

Behind razor-wired penitentiary walls and minimum security fences, about 35,500 federal and provincial prison inmates are eligible to cast ballots in the federal election.

This is the second time federal prisoners have been allowed to vote since the Supreme Court struck down part of the Elections Act in 2002. It had been challenged under the charter of rights by a convicted murderer.

The court said voting could teach inmates democratic values and social responsibility.

Shane Shoemaker, serving a life sentence for first-degree murder at Edmonton Institution, agrees.

He and other inmates at the maximum-security prison have been following the campaign on TV in their cells. There are no election posters on the walls. No candidates have come to door-knock.

"Most guys in prison feel like outcasts. Voting is kind of a big thing," says Shoemaker, 30, who hails from Calgary.

"You feel like you are contributing to society."

Shoemaker, who is into the eighth year of his sentence, says most inmates plan to vote for any party other than the Conservatives.

Prisoners fear the Tories want to make life in prison harsher by taking away comforts such as televisions and stereos, he says. They also believe the Conservatives want to strip them of their right to vote.

"We live in a volatile environment and if they start taking these things away from us, it will just create more problems and tensions."

Under Elections Canada rules, inmates will vote with special ballots inside prisons on Jan. 13, 10 days before the general election. They may vote in the riding where they lived before going to prison, in the riding where a relative lives or where they were convicted.

At the Edmonton Institution, guards will shut down activity at the prison on voting day. Elections Canada will send in two returning officers and two polling clerks. One polling station will be set up in the prison's segregation unit and another elsewhere in the facility to handle the rest of the inmates.

Ballots will be sent to Elections Canada in Ottawa in the same way ballots cast by members of the Canadian Forces who are serving abroad are processed. The votes will be included on election night in the designated ridings when results are tallied.

Robby Nowicki, Edmonton Institution's chief administrator, says everything went smoothly during the 2004 election, with 65 of 238 eligible prisoners casting ballots. More are expected to vote this time.

While she hopes the voting process helps inmates, Nowicki said she doesn't support it personally.

"It is one of our basic rights," says the 27-year corrections veteran. "I feel we should have to earn it."

The issue of prisoner voting rights has bounced around in the courts since 1993, when the Progressive Conservative government amended the Canada Elections Act.

The law, which banned inmates serving terms of two years or more from voting, was struck down in 1995 by the Federal Court. Then in 1999, it was upheld in the Federal Court of Appeal. The Supreme Court struck that decision down in 2002.

The Liberals and NDP say they can live with the high court's decision.

The Conservatives say they don't have an official policy, but would favour a constitutional amendment to ban voting by federal prison inmates.


Tory justice critic Vic Toews says Canadians have told him on the campaign trail that they don't believe federal prisoners should have the right to vote.

"What they say to me is that it is wrong that these individuals who have broken their obligations to society are now entitled to have the same voice in society," Toews says.

In the 2004 election, 9,250 of an estimated 35,500 eligible prison voters actually participated - a voting rate of about 26 per cent. The national voter turnout was 61 per cent.

Shoemaker, who has spent most of his adult life in the prison system, says the parties should do more to encourage inmates to take an interest in the political process, including having candidates campaign inside.
(New Liberal candidates :D )

He believes that regardless of their crimes, the more of a stake inmates have in society, the better off everyone will be.

"I am still a human being, I'm still a person. I still have a voice," Shoemaker says.

"Regardless of where I am right now, I will be out some day."

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:01 pm
 


What a joke.

Inmates have too many rights as is.


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Oh ridenrain you shouldn't post this here, I did earlier and somebody deleted it. Someone with Mod powers seems to think I make this stuff up.


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Ok. Now I see.
I took a look at UnitedNorthAmerica.org and didn't see anything slanderous. I even liked the paralell between Quebec & Hawaii. :D


I know this site has a Liberal slant but removing valid threads is crap.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:30 pm
 


When threads get deleted, it's usually done because 99.9% of the time it has turned into a flame fest.

I'm pretty sure that's what happened with this thread's previous incarnation.


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Trolling around on unrelated motorcycle forums, I found others who share these opinions. Here's hoping that many more Canadians are feeling the same on this.

The man who was arrested for the Boxing Day shooting was released only weeks earlier after serving 30 days for robbery and resisting arrest, a crime he commited while on probation.

A pair of men arrested for a driveby shooting in Ottawa last week were on
parole, after serving a fraction of their sentence.

An organized crime figure sentenced in 2003 to 19 years in prison for
smuggling a vast amount of cocaine into Canada is about to be released on parole.

(K): Here's an informal survey on that issue from the Globe and Mail.
I would have thought the majority would have put the fault at the feet of
the judges ..... but no, Canadians seems to know who drives the judiciary.
We miss you, Chuck Cadman.....
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Monday, Jan. 2, 2006

If you believe Canada's justice system is flawed, which group is most
responsible for those flaws?

Politicians 8188 votes (52 %)

Judges 4283 votes (27 %)

Lawyers 1956 votes (12 %)

Police 588 votes (4 %)

Prison system 668 votes (4 %)

Total Votes: 15683


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lily lily:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Ok. Now I see.
I took a look at UnitedNorthAmerica.org and didn't see anything slanderous. I even liked the paralell between Quebec & Hawaii. :D


I know this site has a Liberal slant but removing valid threads is crap.

You didn't see the post, ridenrain, so by all means, feel free to comment on whether it was appropriate to delete it.


not that one Lily, the one that started this thread.

the one you are talking about is on a Liberals webblog http://www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.htm


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lily lily:
Which is the one ridenrain was referring to - hence the mention of the site you posted earlier.

Nice try... and way to sneak the article back in under the radar.


for the record - I don't think the original post should have been deleted.


Where did I make ref to the other thread? I said you should not post this here. Meaning I already posted the article earlier today and somebody deleted it.

and i sneaked nothing.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:19 pm
 


$1:
Under Elections Canada rules, inmates will vote with special ballots inside prisons on Jan. 13, 10 days before the general election. They may vote in the riding where they lived before going to prison, in the riding where a relative lives or where they were convicted.


So a prisoner can vote in their choice of three ridings? So, if you're a prisoner you can vote strategically in a riding where you feel your vote may help a particular candidate more. So if they like the NDP, they may choose a riding where the NDP actually have a chance (for example). As a law abiding citizen, I don't have that right to choose the riding in which I vote. What a sick joke that an imate has more of a right to vote for a candidate of their choice than the public at large.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:24 pm
 


Do you mean Liberal MP for Waterloo, Ontario: Andrew Telegdi?
Oh, that guys a dream! He's better that Michael Ignatieff!
That definately should not have been banned, reguardless of who he runs for.

Definately use private messages to pass on details of that sort.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:51 pm
 


The right to vote is important for all citizens. Although it may not seem relevant in our society, the right to vote for inmates is a protection mechanism from tyranny. Theoretically, if we remove people's right to vote in prison, we leave ourselves unguarded agaist unfair laws that could have people incarcerated on a discriminatory basis. In theory, one group, in a majority government situation could pass a law which unfairly has another group locked up. This process could be continued until a minority of people make all the decisions because the incarcerated citizens are unable to vote them out of power..

I know this example is pretty extreme, but I'm sure that Bush's decision not to let convicts vote benefitted him.

The laws that we make are the result of a political process, breaking those laws is essentially a political statement. People are still held responsible for breaking those laws but should not have their right to partake in the political process removed, it leaves law biding citizens unguarded, and history has taught us better than that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:58 pm
 


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right to vote for inmates is a protection mechanism from tyranny


you are insane.

People that rape murder and pedophiles you must be joking. Glad they are on your side.


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I'm hoping that that was the obligitory spirited defence because it sounds like you don't really believe that either. While I agree that changing laws is a dangerous thing but I don't think we'll ever get close to China's political prisoner levels.
You must also admit that a prison is pretty much a closed shop that would favor the existing federal government. A candidates race in the prison would be a race to the bottom for the rest of society.


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breaking those laws is essentially a political statement


You sure they allow you to use the internet from 999 queen st ?

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The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 deprived German Jews of their rights of citizenship, giving them the status of "subjects" in Hitler's Reich. The laws also made it forbidden for Jews to marry or have sexual relations with Aryans or to employ young Aryan women as household help. (An Aryan being a person with blond hair and blue eyes of Germanic heritage.)

I know, nothing like that could ever happen... :roll:


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