[OnTheIce]

I would assume by the words of the ever-so-hypocritical Martin, that the Liberal Party has no candidates who are anti-abortion or anti-same sex marriage?

Oh wait, there's tons of them.

Now, how can Dithers stand up there and claim as if his party is free of any people with extreme views when he himself, PAUL MARTIN, is ANTI-SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ANTI-ABORTION?

Martin said "The prime minister must immediately recall parliament to introduce new abortion legislation” (Halifax Daily News, July 20, 1989).

Paul Martin said he was personally opposed to abortion (Toronto Star, March 26, 1990).

What about the Liberal extremists?

Joe Fontana, current Minister of Labour: abortion should be limited to “exceptional extenuating circumstances” involving rape or incest (London Free Press, October 12, 1988).

Joe McGuire, current Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency called abortion “the murder of another human being” (Hansard, November 27, 1989).
There are many more....

How can Dithers go to Oshawa, preach ethics and talk about how Stephen Harper is anti-abortion while standing next to Judi Longfield, a pro-life supporter with her campaign being funded in a major way by a pro-life group?

How can Dithers stand up with Gary Carr and preach about protecting same sex marriage when Carr voted against the bill in the House?

So while you listen to a false campaign of fear, remember Paul Martin doesn't support same sex marriage nor does he support a women's right to choose.

Thanks for coming out. Hypocrite.

[Ruserious]

Conservative website propoganda.

[OnTheIce]

Ruserious Ruserious:

Conservative website propoganda.

The truth is propoganda?

Are you afraid of the truth?

[DerbyX]

Thanks for coming out OTI.

It isn't that the Liberals don't have pro-life and anti-SSM candidates in their party, its that they won't let those views taint the party . Despite the Liberals candidates who oppose said policies the Liberals have seen that Canada is a bastion of those freedoms. harper gives every indication he won't uphold those freedoms.

Nice try. It takes more courage to promote SSM and freedom of choice over hysterical religious harague then any amount of toadying that harper does to placate his right wing supporters.

[Tman1]

Ahh you're here Derby. I think we need a fresh new voice here now....

[Poisson]

From over 15 years ago. Keep on posting old shits.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Ahh you're here Derby. I think we need a fresh new voice here now....

Thanks. The trouble is that its not a fresh topic. Its common knowledge that not all Liberals support SSM and I don't believe they all support abortion rights either. Proof that Liberal does not equal liberal.

I bet that during the turbulence times of women voting / driving, racial desegregation, etc that even the Liberal party supported it in strong numbers.

The difference is that Canada is on the forefront of something that will encompas the world eventually.

[Tman1]

Well, actually I kind of meant another voice on the forum other than noobs and other political analysts and not particularly this topic but oh well.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Well, actually I kind of meant another voice on the forum other than noobs and other political analysts and not particularly this topic but oh well.

There has been an influx of N00bs, lets call them CKA-TNG. I remember when I was part of that crew.

Its good that you bring this up B/C it brings up a chronic forum condition, "necroposting?"

We all need to remember that a new poster may come across a thread that they really want to post in despite its age.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Thanks for coming out OTI.

It isn't that the Liberals don't have pro-life and anti-SSM candidates in their party, its that they won't let those views taint the party . Despite the Liberals candidates who oppose said policies the Liberals have seen that Canada is a bastion of those freedoms. harper gives every indication he won't uphold those freedoms.

Nice try. It takes more courage to promote SSM and freedom of choice over hysterical religious harague then any amount of toadying that harper does to placate his right wing supporters.

So, Harper has come out and said that the Conservative Party will not seek to re-visit the abortion issue. He's said this numerous times.

Why is it that you hear only what you want to hear?

What if a Liberal MP brings forth a bill to abolish abortion?

Poisson, the Liberals have been taking quotes from CPC candidates from a long time ago. If Liberals are allowed to change and broaden their views, why can't CPC candidates. Liberal hypocrisy.

Derby, you don't see anything wrong with Martin preaching about abortion when standing next to the largest pro-life Liberal activist and not allowing her to speak?

[OnTheIce]

lily lily:

$1:

Derby, you don't see anything wrong with Martin preaching about abortion when standing next to the largest pro-life Liberal activist and not allowing her to speak?

Martin uses duct tape too?

He does, and lots of it.

[RUEZ]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

lily lily:

$1:

Derby, you don't see anything wrong with Martin preaching about abortion when standing next to the largest pro-life Liberal activist and not allowing her to speak?

Martin uses duct tape too?

He does, and lots of it.

He needs to use some on his sagging chins.

[DerbyX]

$1:

So, Harper has come out and said that the Conservative Party will not seek to re-visit the abortion issue. He's said this numerous times.

Actually I pointed to that very statement on their website as a reason why they are finding additional support. However I didn't know about their "hidden candidates"

$1:

Why is it that you hear only what you want to hear?

Up until the CPC spending spree I felt their fiscal policies were good. They have always lost on social policies and we are always wary for that fact.

BTW, since you feel no need to believe any Liberal, even those exonerated then why should I believe any con?

$1:

What if a Liberal MP brings forth a bill to abolish abortion?

If the Libs support such an endevour I won't support them.

$1:

Poisson, the Liberals have been taking quotes from CPC candidates from a long time ago. If Liberals are allowed to change and broaden their views, why can't CPC candidates. Liberal hypocrisy.

You are. Lying about social policy doesn't count.

$1:

Derby, you don't see anything wrong with Martin preaching about abortion when standing next to the largest pro-life Liberal activist and not allowing her to speak?

I don't care what individual MPs think, only that Canada's first rate abortion laws stay intact.

[OnTheIce]

Let's not forget the ever-special Tom Wappel, my former MP and former Liberal leader candidate....

Wappel called for abortion to be made a criminal offense with a maximum penalty of life imprisonment

On same sex marriage:

claimed that he did not consider single-parent households or homosexual couples to be families

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wappel

Why haven't we heard from these MP's?

hmmmmmm

[Poisson]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Poisson, the Liberals have been taking quotes from CPC candidates from a long time ago. If Liberals are allowed to change and broaden their views, why can't CPC candidates. Liberal hypocrisy.

I'm not a Liberal, or a member of any party for that matter.

I never said that CPC members cannot broaden their views. Don't put words in my mouth.