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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:38 pm
Avro Avro: Tricks Tricks: VitaminC VitaminC: hwacker hwacker: Anything like that happening will be then end of Canada as we know it. If Harper wins it will be the end of Canada as we know it. right, the apocolypse is coming right?  Seriously, get over it. I assume you meant both of them. well now that you mention it. Yes I did mean both, I didn't at first though 
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:40 pm
VitaminC VitaminC: hwacker hwacker: Anything like that happening will be then end of Canada as we know it. If Harper wins it will be the end of Canada as we know it.
Do yourself a favor and chew on a pistol.
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Lord-Beaverbrook
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:46 pm
I am here to point out that the three of you are immature and foolish. Don't bother retort.
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OnTheIce 
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:23 pm
Lord-Beaverbrook Lord-Beaverbrook: I am here to point out that the three of you are immature and foolish. Don't bother retort.
Please, make better use of your time.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:43 pm
maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1: Numure Numure: It could happen. It has before. The current government formng an alliance to remain in power. As long as that alliance holds, and as long as they have a majority seats, he can do it. Times have changed...as a Canadian, I wouldn't accept that. As a Quebecer, I still wouldn't accept that. That's playing with democracy.
It isnt really. We live in a Parlement based Democracy. Thus we vote for parlement members, not prime miniters. If Stephen Harper wins with, 120 seats, he doesnt have a majority. That means, to govern, he needs the support of at least 33 other members of the house.
If the NDP and Liberal form an alliance, and have a majority, then theirs nothing the Conservative can do to stop Paul Martin from forming a government. Its how a Parlement system works.
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hwacker
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:45 pm
Numure Numure: maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1: Numure Numure: It could happen. It has before. The current government formng an alliance to remain in power. As long as that alliance holds, and as long as they have a majority seats, he can do it. Times have changed...as a Canadian, I wouldn't accept that. As a Quebecer, I still wouldn't accept that. That's playing with democracy. It isnt really. We live in a Parlement based Democracy. Thus we vote for parlement members, not prime miniters. If Stephen Harper wins with, 120 seats, he doesnt have a majority. That means, to govern, he needs the support of at least 33 other members of the house. If the NDP and Liberal form an alliance, and have a majority, then theirs nothing the Conservative can do to stop Paul Martin from forming a government. Its how a Parlement system works.
Like i said, 2 provinces in this country would be gone before weekend if he did that. Do you want me to tell you who?
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VitaminC
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:50 pm
hwacker hwacker: Numure Numure: maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1: Numure Numure: It could happen. It has before. The current government formng an alliance to remain in power. As long as that alliance holds, and as long as they have a majority seats, he can do it. Times have changed...as a Canadian, I wouldn't accept that. As a Quebecer, I still wouldn't accept that. That's playing with democracy. It isnt really. We live in a Parlement based Democracy. Thus we vote for parlement members, not prime miniters. If Stephen Harper wins with, 120 seats, he doesnt have a majority. That means, to govern, he needs the support of at least 33 other members of the house. If the NDP and Liberal form an alliance, and have a majority, then theirs nothing the Conservative can do to stop Paul Martin from forming a government. Its how a Parlement system works. Like i said, 2 provinces in this country would be gone before weekend if he did that. Do you want me to tell you who?
The pig farm and the pasture down yonder?
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hwacker
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:52 pm
VitaminC VitaminC: hwacker hwacker: Numure Numure: maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1: Numure Numure: It could happen. It has before. The current government formng an alliance to remain in power. As long as that alliance holds, and as long as they have a majority seats, he can do it. Times have changed...as a Canadian, I wouldn't accept that. As a Quebecer, I still wouldn't accept that. That's playing with democracy. It isnt really. We live in a Parlement based Democracy. Thus we vote for parlement members, not prime miniters. If Stephen Harper wins with, 120 seats, he doesnt have a majority. That means, to govern, he needs the support of at least 33 other members of the house. If the NDP and Liberal form an alliance, and have a majority, then theirs nothing the Conservative can do to stop Paul Martin from forming a government. Its how a Parlement system works. Like i said, 2 provinces in this country would be gone before weekend if he did that. Do you want me to tell you who? The pig farm and the pasture down yonder?
talking about your homeland?
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:02 pm
hwacker hwacker: Numure Numure: maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1: Numure Numure: It could happen. It has before. The current government formng an alliance to remain in power. As long as that alliance holds, and as long as they have a majority seats, he can do it. Times have changed...as a Canadian, I wouldn't accept that. As a Quebecer, I still wouldn't accept that. That's playing with democracy. It isnt really. We live in a Parlement based Democracy. Thus we vote for parlement members, not prime miniters. If Stephen Harper wins with, 120 seats, he doesnt have a majority. That means, to govern, he needs the support of at least 33 other members of the house. If the NDP and Liberal form an alliance, and have a majority, then theirs nothing the Conservative can do to stop Paul Martin from forming a government. Its how a Parlement system works. Like i said, 2 provinces in this country would be gone before weekend if he did that. Do you want me to tell you who?
No need my friend  . I don't want that scenario to happen, but we have to keep in mind it can happen.
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hamiltonguyo
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:11 pm
don't worry the conservatives would have to be in any two party coalition. However if it comes down to no coalitions it depends on the house. It could come down to whoever it can get the bloq and ndp to support them.
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GunPlumber
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:36 pm
VitaminC VitaminC: bootlegga bootlegga: I've read that parliamentary tradition (whatever that's worth) usually means the current government is given the first chance to form a government in a minority situation.
I don't think it will make a difference this time because the Libs will lose seats in Quebec and I don't see them regaining them anywhere else. If the cons get like 120 seats, the libs 95 seats, and the NDP 35 seats..... Then a lib/ndp coalition would have more seats than cons and would be able to form the gov't..... We probably won't know what will happen until Paul Martin talks it over with the Governor General....maybe tomorrow or thereafter... Think about it....if the libs and ndp together have more seats then they can defeat anything that the cons try to pass.....that is not a stable gov't... Democracy says the most votes wins.....so the government is formed by the group of MPs who has the most seats......whether it be one party, two parties grouped together, or one new party made of two old parties......
Of course you're conveniently forgetting that the LIBERALS AND NDP DID FORM A COALITION last spring, wherein the NDP agreed to vote with the government on all bills and motions as long as the government agreed to modify it's proposed bills and motions to meet the NDPs policy conditions. That coalition lasted only six months when THE NDP TABLED THE MOTION OF NON-CONFIDENCE WHICH LED TO THE DEFEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT. Thus owing to VERY RECENT HISTORY, it is improbable to suggest that the NDP and Liberals could form a stable government.
For bonus points: Name the bill tabled by the then Liberal government which caused the NDP to gauge that faith had been broken such that they felt it necessary to table a non-confidence motion.
For more bonus points: Name the opposition parties who endorsed the bill which offended the NDP's trust and name the opposition party which has indicated it will reintroduce the bill (with minor additions) if they form the next government.
For even more bonus points: The bill previously mentioned is seperate from the motion of confidence. The bill has been tabled but not voted on. Could the bill be voted on in it's current form without being required to be reintroduced? Answer and give your reason(s) why. Could the bill be voted on without being re-introduced, if the next government is formed by a different political party than was the government during the Session during which the bill was tabled? Answer and give your reason(s) why.
For super bonus points: If less than 50% of the elected members are present at the time when a vote is undertaken in the House of Commons, can the vote proceed and would the result be considered valid? If a group of MP's, numbered so that they were greater than those not in the group, indicated to the Governor-General that they intended not be present for any votes in the House, could the Governor-General judge that the Government had lost the support of Parliament, and could the Governor-General subsequently dissolve the Government?
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GunPlumber
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:52 pm
VitaminC VitaminC: hwacker hwacker: Anything like that happening will be then end of Canada as we know it. If Harper wins it will be the end of Canada as we know it.
Yes, and not a moment too soon!
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:14 pm
VitaminC VitaminC: hwacker hwacker: Anything like that happening will be then end of Canada as we know it. If Harper wins it will be the end of Canada as we know it.
[marq=left] Knowing you're in pain makes me happy! :D  [/marq]
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:23 pm
From how i remember it, the Liberals didn't do too bad of a job running Canada. Most people are simply voting against them because they believe the Libs to be corrupt. Since most ridings the next best choice to win the riding is the Cons, they are who get the votes. Within 4 years the Libs will be in power again because nothing much will get done by the con minority because they will get blocked from doing what they want as often as not, depending how the bloc plays it's power..
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