[Libralesso]

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:

Do you want to know why the Govt has not been so able to invest into public transportation? Hint, cause the previous government has spent it into useless social programs, such as funding the arts amongst others, instead.

Sorry, had to throw that in there.

Actually if you want to know the real reasons why, read "Geography of Nowhere". This will explain why the governments wont invest in public trans.

[EyeBrock]

Libralesso Libralesso:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You ever been or lived in a Northern community libralesso? Nothing against you but your views are just so very Toronto-centric and somewhat simplistic. I lived in Labrador for 3 years. Everything costs more in isolated Northern communities, and wages/jobs are lower and more scarce.
Canada is a big country and extends past the 400 and the Don Valley Parkway.
You can find a way to subsidize a rail link from Union to Goose Bay? Go for it, but try to answer in less than a 1000 words please.

Now it would be hard because there is no funding for it, but what I was saying when we had the choice to go rail or roads we could have made rail there instead of roads. We found a way to connect Union with goose bay using roads, we could have done it just as easily with rails.

Wrong again. There are no roads in or out of Goose Bay. This is Labrador not Mississauga.

[Libralesso]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Libralesso Libralesso:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You ever been or lived in a Northern community libralesso? Nothing against you but your views are just so very Toronto-centric and somewhat simplistic. I lived in Labrador for 3 years. Everything costs more in isolated Northern communities, and wages/jobs are lower and more scarce.
Canada is a big country and extends past the 400 and the Don Valley Parkway.
You can find a way to subsidize a rail link from Union to Goose Bay? Go for it, but try to answer in less than a 1000 words please.

Now it would be hard because there is no funding for it, but what I was saying when we had the choice to go rail or roads we could have made rail there instead of roads. We found a way to connect Union with goose bay using roads, we could have done it just as easily with rails.

Wrong again. There are no roads in or out of Goose Bay. This is Labrador not Mississauga.

If there is no roads in or out why are you asking to build a rail there? Why would you be expecting more from the rail system than the road system we have? Basically i am asking why the hell did you bring up that example then?

[Madcatz]

Perhaps yes, and it is true. One must decide which is more important, the arts or the enviroment. Although I support the arts and wish our government did, money does not grow on trees. In my book the enviroment is above the arts, however if we could support both I would be very happy.

Indeed money was spent on the arts, but perhaps not enough to cover the costs of said projects. But hell, maybe it would be? Im not in a position to examine spending.

[EyeBrock]

I was demonstrating your "Toronto is the centre of the universe" thinking.
You need to make a paradigm shift from Dion's plan on transit that is applicable to condo dwellers in TO but utterly useless to Northern and isolated communities.
It would appear your thinking is a tad one-dimensional.
Time to go 3-d and see things from another perspective than that of a student in the Big Smoke.

Plus it shows you don't know squat about Labrador.

[Madcatz]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I was demonstrating your "Toronto is the centre of the universe" thinking.
You need to make a paradigm shift from Dion's plan on transit that is applicable to condo dwellers in TO but utterly useless to Northern and isolated communities.
It would appear your thinking is a tad one-dimensional.
Time to go 3-d and see things from another perspective than that of a student in the Big Smoke.

Plus it shows you don't know squat about Labrador.

What would you want with a train any way? If you live in an isolated community and are so quick to judge city dwelers, you clearly dont seem in dire need of a transit system. In those cases automobiles make more sense.

Also no roads? Woah buddy how are we talking? Did your internet hook up guy cross on snow shoes or what? Seriously Im asking how.

[Libralesso]

I figured since you questioned me on whether we would have enough money to build rails there then you must have evidence that there are roads going there. You seemed to have lived there so I wasn't going to fight against that knowledge, I suspected that there were no roads there, but I figured you knew differently. also I do not have a Toronto is the center of the universe thinking, I don't know how you got that from me saying there should be more accessible public transit. By that logic i could say you have a one-dimensional perspective in support of the status quo car culture here. See how easy it is to make false convictions?

[EyeBrock]

There are roads within Goose Bay. But no paved roads in or out of it. There are many communities in Ontario that are in a similar position.
Nobody is judging city dwellers. I made the point that Dion's scheme is geared towards urban dwellers at the expense of rural and isolated communities that already pay a heavy premium for every staple.
Frankly your post just displays your ignorance of our country.

[EyeBrock]

Libralesso Libralesso:

I figured since you questioned me on whether we would have enough money to build rails there then you must have evidence that there are roads going there. You seemed to have lived there so I wasn't going to fight against that knowledge, I suspected that there were no roads there, but I figured you knew differently. also I do not have a Toronto is the center of the universe thinking, I don't know how you got that from me saying there should be more accessible public transit. By that logic i could say you have a one-dimensional perspective in support of the status quo car culture here. See how easy it is to make false convictions?

I challenged your praise of Dion's plan and pointed out that rural/isolated communities have a different set of needs. A carbon tax will only add to the general expense of those Canadians living in these communities.

[Madcatz]

Ignorance? Ignorance of our country? Harsh language my friend. Perhaps it is easier to assume I am ignorant of your meaning, which lays the blame on you for not putting it clearer.

Ignorance? You have not adressed my question, you dodge it like one might dodge a bullet. Clever clever...But It hasn't escaped my eyes. You seem to think that rual and isolated communities pay MORE in taxes then the city dwellers. Not so my friend, we all pay our share, and since city folk have higher paying salaries they are thusly, taxed more.

To put it simply, City folks pay MORE then isolated places.

Boosh.

[Libralesso]

I do not praise Dion's plan, I have said somewhere around here on this forum before it is far from perfect. But at least it is a step in the right direction. I realize rural areas have different needs, but the Green Shift gives all sorts of tax breaks to rural residents. Including huge breaks on greening their homes with Geothermal heating, something hardly possible for most city dwellers. So this plan does take into account the needs of rural areas to an extent as well.

[EyeBrock]

I said that people in these communities pay more for staples like food, heating, gas for their cars. This is a big suprise to you?

What was your question? Did the cable guy have snow shoes on? Very insightful.
I'm sorry , your piss poor spelling and grammar makes your point(s) hard to detect. Did you have a point?

[Madcatz]

Libralesso Libralesso:

I do not praise Dion's plan, I have said somewhere around here on this forum before it is far from perfect. But at least it is a step in the right direction. I realize rural areas have different needs, but the Green Shift gives all sorts of tax breaks to rural residents. Including huge breaks on greening their homes with Geothermal heating, something hardly possible for most city dwellers. So this plan does take into account the needs of rural areas to an extent as well.

A good point, tax breaks for those in rural areas would mean that city dwellers would be carrying most of the weight. Step in the right direction? Yes, it is.

I only disagree on carbon tax because often times in history we see taxes stay when theyre use is up. I don't see carbon tax leaving and that is why I hate it. I say just cut the middle man and increase taxes on a whole. The environment effects everyone, and everyone effects the environment. No excuses.

[EyeBrock]

Libralesso Libralesso:

I do not praise Dion's plan, I have said somewhere around here on this forum before it is far from perfect. But at least it is a step in the right direction. I realize rural areas have different needs, but the Green Shift gives all sorts of tax breaks to rural residents. Including huge breaks on greening their homes with Geothermal heating, something hardly possible for most city dwellers. So this plan does take into account the needs of rural areas to an extent as well.

I can't see how paying more for gas and anything transported using gas/diesel can help these communities. Most of these places have to have everything shipped or flown in making basics like milk very expensive.
It's a glaring gap in the plan which has been pointed out by many living in the North.
This whole plan will lose Dion votes which is fine by me.

[Madcatz]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I said that people in these communities pay more for staples like food, heating, gas for their cars. This is a big suprise to you?

What was your question? Did the cable guy have snow shoes on? Very insightful.
I'm sorry , your piss poor spelling and grammar makes your point(s) hard to detect. Did you have a point?

Resorting to insults? Well Although I am sorry for my lack of grammer or spelling skills, I never did insult you.

Be weary friend, Personal insults are the weapons of those who have no actual arguments.