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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:14 pm
 


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I've never heard arnold called a Nazi....?


You don't live in California. The liberals ran him through the wringer accusing HIM of being a Nazi because his father was a Nazi Party member in WW2.

Even after the man was hailed as a Righteous Gentile by the late Simon Wiesenthal the liberals still haul out the Nazi smear whenever it suits their needs.


I doubt an organized party accused him of being a nazi, probably just some nut job.....


http://www.arnoldexposed.com/

http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/4 ... call.shtml

And an official Democrat Party website link - http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cf ... arzenegger

note especially where they call him "SchwarzeNazi"

Oh, and do you see any retractions on any of these sites after Simon Wiesenthal pointed out that Schwarzennegger is the #1 donor to the Wiesenthal Center and that he has been made a Righteous Gentile for his work against anti-Semitism?

Of course not.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:17 pm
 


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How'd that vote on Propositions 74-77 go for you :lol:

Pete Wilson doesn't look so bad now does he.


The only prop I supported was the one taking reapportionment away from the Democrats. On the upside, the liberals spent $380 million dollars against the $80m that the conservatives spent on the election - which leaves them having to make up for their losses going into the June elections coming up. And then they'll still be short for November.

He lost the battle but the Democrats and liberals stand to lose the war. 8)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:25 pm
 


lily lily:
Tricks...
Get over your age. You're the one who keeps bringing it up. (this thread, anyway, which is what's relevant here)

Actually age was always brought up before I spoke on it. Take off your blinder lily. You still have yet to say anything about Rus, yet you have plenty to say about cons. Way to go!

So Bart has explained himself, quite well I might add, and Rus has yet to explain himself. So why not attack him? Because you can't. Because he is liberal and you are too. Seriously, biggest hypocrit ever.

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I doubt an organized party accused him of being a nazi, probably just some nut job.....
But a conservative can do it right? God, you people are sad.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:32 pm
 


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How'd that vote on Propositions 74-77 go for you :lol:

Pete Wilson doesn't look so bad now does he.


The only prop I supported was the one taking reapportionment away from the Democrats. On the upside, the liberals spent $380 million dollars against the $80m that the conservatives spent on the election - which leaves them having to make up for their losses going into the June elections coming up. And then they'll still be short for November.

He lost the battle but the Democrats and liberals stand to lose the war. 8)
You underestimate the wealth of the democrats in California..

But back to Arnold' alleged Nazi ties for a moment...

Here's a name.. Kurt Waldheim, war criminal

Arnold and Maria invited him to their wedding and Arnold has never renounced his support for Waldheim.
Kurt Waldheim was an intelligence officer in Germany's Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim's name appears on the Wehrmacht's "honour list" of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over."

So he hasn't actually helped his own cause..


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What do you want me to say to/about Rus? I already commented that what he said was bad. Yet you're still making excuses for Bart's comments.

But I'm a big hypocrite. :roll:
I am not making excuses, I said he explained himself. You freak out over a harmless comment. Yet when Rus throws out a harmless comment, or other libs throw out harmless comments of the same degree, you turn a blind eye....Why is that?


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I doubt an organized party accused him of being a nazi, probably just some nut job.....
But a conservative can do it right? God, you people are sad.


When did I say that a conservative can do it?

To be honest I couldn't care less if someone thinks a conservative painted the sign.....it doesn't get me stirred up....I said I don't agree and I left it at that. I don't need to attack or call someone names.....

I'll ask you again, what do you want me to say to Rus that I haven't said? You want me to write him a letter, a frickan song-o-gram? I already said a million times I don't think it was a con...


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I am not making excuses, I said he explained himself. You freak out over a harmless comment. Yet when Rus throws out a harmless comment, or other libs throw out harmless comments of the same degree, you turn a blind eye....Why is that?


Because suggesting someone defaced a sign for political reasons is not even close to suggesting someone has Nazi ties based on being a 3rd generation Ukrainian Canadian.

Harmless comment?

Bloody hell.
How about suggesting someone has sexually assualted someone else? How about them apples.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:41 pm
 


lily lily:
Pick one. :D


Let's see:

I'm right about the history of Ukrainian Germans and Ziggy has also corrected you.

I'm right that it's plausible the liberal campaign did this to themselves to discredit their opponent as such has happened before.

And I'm also right that not everyone has all the facts yet.

So where have you been wrong?

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He's suggesting that Ukrainian Canadians could easily have ties to the Nazis.


No, I did not. I said no such thing about Ukrainian-Canadians other than that they may well be descendant from people who either were Nazi Party members or who served in the Wehrmacht or the SS.

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Just because someone is of Ukrainian heritage doesn't mean they have Nazi connections.


Again you infer that I said this when I did not. Not all Ukrainians allied with the Nazis. For that matter, not all Germans did, either.

Lily Lily:
How can you seriously excuse defacing someone's signs with swastikas by pointing out that he's 3rd generation Ukrainian?


I never excused the act of vandalism but I did question the motivation as motivation is the heart of a hate crime. Painting the swastika may not be construed as a hate crime in certain circumstances - if the purpose was not to intimidate him with the swastika but to smear him with it then your courts may not call that a hate crime.

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No more so than it bothers you that Bart blames it on the guy's heritage.


Wrong again.

Lily Lily:
Does what Bart had to say about Ukrainians and their apparent links to Germans/Nazis bother you?


Does it bother you that what I stated is an indisputable historical fact?

Or have you never heard of John Demjanjuk?

Uhm, and what was with telling Ziggy his name isn't German after he said it was? I hope it's okay with you that my name is Irish, although the same name in the same spelling is also popular in Scandinavia and with European Jews. (No, I'm not a Norwegian Jew! :P )

And I saw your apology after I had posted some responses.

8)


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I doubt an organized party accused him of being a nazi, probably just some nut job.....
But a conservative can do it right? God, you people are sad.


When did I say that a conservative can do it?

To be honest I couldn't care less if someone thinks a conservative painted the sign.....it doesn't get me stirred up....I said I don't agree and I left it at that. I don't need to attack or call someone names.....

I'll ask you again, what do you want me to say to Rus that I haven't said? You want me to write him a letter, a frickan song-o-gram? I already said a million times I don't think it was a con...
But what bart said did right? :roll: You reprimend someone for saying something (with facts) that for all you know could be true. Yes when someone says something that is so obviously false...Nothing.




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Because suggesting someone defaced a sign for political reasons is not even close to suggesting someone has Nazi ties based on being a 3rd generation Ukrainian Canadian.

Harmless comment?

Bloody hell.
Yes it is a harmless comment. Do you see this uy running out and jumping off a cliff? no. Do you think he will read this? No. Bart backed up his statement with facts. He thinks that because most Ukranian people were nazi's at that time, then someone reminded him of that. It isn't a shot, it's his history.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:56 pm
 


Ruserious Ruserious:
Here's a name.. Kurt Waldheim, war criminal


Also President of Austria and Secretary General of the United Nations.

Ruserious Ruserious:
Arnold and Maria invited him to their wedding and Arnold has never renounced his support for Waldheim.


Since Waldheim was cleared of those charges there's nothing wrong with this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Waldheim


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Ruserious Ruserious:
Here's a name.. Kurt Waldheim, war criminal


Also President of Austria and Secretary General of the United Nations.

Ruserious Ruserious:
Arnold and Maria invited him to their wedding and Arnold has never renounced his support for Waldheim.


Since Waldheim was cleared of those charges there's nothing wrong with this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Waldheim
Why would it matter that he was cleared of all charges? :roll: A conservative invited him, so they must be true.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:09 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Ruserious Ruserious:
Here's a name.. Kurt Waldheim, war criminal


Also President of Austria and Secretary General of the United Nations.

Ruserious Ruserious:
Arnold and Maria invited him to their wedding and Arnold has never renounced his support for Waldheim.


Since Waldheim was cleared of those charges there's nothing wrong with this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Waldheim
Right.. :roll:

That's why the U.S had him on their person non grata list and wouldn't let him into the country...

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Because of the ongoing international controversy, the Austrian government decided to appoint an international committee of historians to examine Waldheim's life between 1938 and 1945. Ultimately, the committee found no evidence of Waldheim's involvement in war crimes, but its final report stated that he must have known more than he was now willing to admit.
Home made coverup.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:26 pm
 


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lily lily:
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I am not making excuses, I said he explained himself. You freak out over a harmless comment. Yet when Rus throws out a harmless comment, or other libs throw out harmless comments of the same degree, you turn a blind eye....Why is that?


Because suggesting someone defaced a sign for political reasons is not even close to suggesting someone has Nazi ties based on being a 3rd generation Ukrainian Canadian.

Harmless comment?

Bloody hell.
How about suggesting someone has sexually assualted someone else? How about them apples.

I didn't realize we need to be keeping score in these sorts of matters.

So... is painting a swastika on a sign worth the same number of points as falsely accusing someone of sexual assault? Or do the Cons get another penalty shot?
Those blinders don't pinch do they?


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Lily you're talking to a brick wall........


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:42 pm
 


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Ruserious Ruserious:
Here's a name.. Kurt Waldheim, war criminal


Also President of Austria and Secretary General of the United Nations.

Ruserious Ruserious:
Arnold and Maria invited him to their wedding and Arnold has never renounced his support for Waldheim.


Since Waldheim was cleared of those charges there's nothing wrong with this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Waldheim
Why would it matter that he was cleared of all charges? :roll: A conservative invited him, so they must be true.


If you read between the lines you'll also see that if Waldheim is friends with Maria Shriver then he's also in tight with the Kennedy clan. :idea:


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