[Tricks]

Your right Vitamin, I can't Find anything. Though I still believe that they will die horribly because they have said (the PQ) that they will take part of the federal debt. So not only will they have debt, business will leave, and they have a deficit. It doesn't look too good for quebec.

[Virgil]

hmm. If Quebec were to seperate then unless they pulled up their own economy I would not be in support of economic unity either, but if we'd both benefit from it then I would see no reason why not to.

I'm still against Harper's giving Quebec the right ot an international voice politically. The fact that Quebecois have the right to vote, and do, they are represented politically by the Canadian representation through democracy, in the sense that Quebec is a part of Canada. It is possible that if Harper keeps his promesses Quebec might fel more secure, but I'm pretty sure his plan wouldn't go down too well with some of the other provinces, or with other minorities in Canada.

[Elvis]

VitaminC wrote

$1:

Damn I'm starting to think about changing my vote again....

God I wish we had a decent CPC candidate in my riding.....

Don't make such a big deal about it's not one more CPC MP that's will make Harper keep his word but Gille Duceppe.

[Virgil]

So true. If the Conservatives are elected, and Gilles Duceppe's seats increase, the Conservatives would be ever so pressured to keep their promesses. Though I think they would anyways, since it's basically what their campaigne against the Liberals is about.

[Jaime_Souviens]

Elvis Elvis:

Trick just an observation: When I was 16 my main goal in life was to get inside the pant of the girl that sat in front of me in math class. So what the Hell are you wasting those precious year of your youth on INTERNET forum chatting about Canadian Politics? Man that's just sad.

(Though I suppose that there isn't class at this time of night... )

[Tricks]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Elvis Elvis:

Trick just an observation: When I was 16 my main goal in life was to get inside the pant of the girl that sat in front of me in math class. So what the Hell are you wasting those precious year of your youth on INTERNET forum chatting about Canadian Politics? Man that's just sad.

(Though I suppose that there isn't class at this time of night... )

While it may be amusing to some, he has yet to respond to me.

[maple_leaf1]

Dang... Elvis! You really surprise me. You said some good words in the last few pages of discussion. I haven't been on the forum for a bit so I've just read it all....

I've seen alot of good ideas and good comments...by all.

By the way...VitaminC, you're the one who's afraid of Harper being a religious extremist, right? Did you know he and his wife didn't even get married in a church? They're married under a civil union....Did you know Harper doesn't go to church?

....Just some thoughts......

[maple_leaf1]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Trying to force all the provinces into one plan is exactly the problem.

Québec may say it's a distinct society --(whether it is or not doesn't matter at this point), but ALL the provinces have different situations. Alberta has oil and the political point of view that has become well-known. BC has its own issues both economically and politically, the same is true of the Atlantic provinces. Ontario is its own universe. I assume that things actually happen in Manitoba, but, God knows, you never hear about it.

Why try to force them all into the same mold? Because that makes it easier to govern from Ottawa? .

[font=Microsoft Sans Serif]Hear-hear![/font]

[maple_leaf1]

Elvis Elvis:

Canada is falling appart because the federal government keep governing the country like it's a unitarian state! By spending money in provincial juridiction and dictating how to spend the money the Federal government has defalted on the basic contract that bind Canada together.
.

I agree.......

[Jaime_Souviens]

Tricks Tricks:

While it may be amusing to some, he has yet to respond to me.

Oh, don't worry about it, Tricks.

Stick with CanadaKA and we'll get you laid.

[maple_leaf1]

Elvis Elvis:

*A confederation is an association of sovereign states, usually created by treaty but often later adopting a common constitution. Confederations tend to be established for dealing with critical issues, such as defence, foreign affairs, foreign trade, and a common currency, with the central government being required to provide support for all members. A confederation, in modern political terms, is usually limited to a permanent union of sovereign states

Now, if only our Federal leaders could respect and apply this definition, I don't think we would have unity problems...

[Tricks]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Tricks Tricks:

While it may be amusing to some, he has yet to respond to me.

Oh, don't worry about it, Tricks.

Stick with CanadaKA and we'll get you laid.

ROTFL

Now that's funny

[Virgil]

Comme je suis Metis, j'ai eu beaucoup de reves de la souverainetee Metchif dehors de Canada. Mais, recemment j'ai trouve que, avec la Chartres de Droits et Libertes et avec la democracie, qu'en Canada les Metis sont souveraines. J'ai trouve qu'avec la division des pouvoirs (proprement, comme etait deja mentionne dans ce forum) les Quebecois sont, meme plus que les Metis, des "maitres chez-[eux]". J'ai donc derive que le Quebec ne doit pas participer dans des organizations politique internationaux, car il est deja represente-- par effect directe de la democracie-- en Canada. La decision de Harper donc, qui donne les Quebecois un voit internationaux politique dehors de la democracie Canadienne, les separent et s'eloignent du Confederation.

Mais, a la meme temps que j'ai realise que Quebec ne devrait pas participer internatinalement politiquement, j'ai trouve que tous les cultures Canadiens devraient avoir des voit individus et internationaux culturel.

Tricks, sorry for not posting this in English but I wrote in French, and to translate it and then still make it sound good seems like too much effort for a lack of any profit at the moment.

[Elvis]

Virgil the problem is that Quebec is already on the internationnal stage and it has been that way for year. And every time it as done so it was alway a fight with Ottawa. And like it or not Harper can't back down on his promisse the consequence would be to great....

[Jaime_Souviens]

Elvis,

I'd hate to mention it, (because, as you know, I think separation is silly, and international representation is an insult to the rest of Canada), but...

An example you should take advantage of is the Ukraine. During the whole post-war Soviet period, the Ukraine had its own U.N. delegation, (as did, I think, Belorus).

Most people have felt that having the two represented in the U.N. was just a way to give the Soviets three votes in everything, since they were so much outnumbered by other countries, (though why three votes would have helped any more than one, I don't know).

Still, the Ukraine still had a U.N. delegation of its own.