[EyeBrock]

The Falklands could have been avoided if a military dictatorship did not invade a sovereign territory. Maybe we should just have let the Fascists who ran Argentina then a free reign?

Beirut was in a country where people were getting slaughtered because they were Muslim/Christian or aligned with the Jews. We did what we could.
I just did these missions because I was told to.

Ethiopia, I helped people because I was ordered to. We had two C130’s there flying 4 missions each a day. The Russians had 20 aircraft sat there doing nothing.

The military is not always a force of evil. Sometimes we can do things ( like famine relief) much more efficiently than NGO's.
Other times we just stop minorities from being killed by bad guys.

At the end of it all we are the tip of the spear. We are told what to do by democratically elected representatives of the people.
No need for anti-war intellectuals to look down their educated noses at us, unless you want to pick up a rifle and help us stop the world’s bad guys from killing the sheep?

There is a place for anti-war intellectuals, we just don’t need them to outnumber people who are willing to fight for our freedom while you guys discuss the issues in a nice warm university.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Libralesso Libralesso:

the people who stayed home and protested against the wars paid more than the people who went.

Holy christ buddy, keep on digging yourself into that hole.

You wouldn't even have the freedom to be a self described intellectual if it weren't for the sacrifices those self centered baby boomers made.

Do you even realize what you're saying? Grab a clue. To say that some "war protester" paid a bigger price than the guy who came home in a pine box did? Talk about self centered, self absorbed and ungrateful. If you want to argue that war is unnecessary knock yourself out but I think you've pretty much proved to anyone reading this thread that you're not the self described "intellectual" you think you are.

(Sorry if I'm being a bit nasty but I've seen anyone utter such pompous bullshit like that before)

[Libralesso]

clearly you weren't reading, by paid I meant in an environmental sense. They did no harm to the environment and were punished for it.

[Reverend Blair]

$1:

A tax for doing something bad eh? You mean bad things like heating your home in the middle of winter and having lighting so your kids can do their homework in January?

Sorry, but there are ways of reducing your heating bills and moving to cleaner forms of heating. You can also reduce your electricity consumption and in some places, generally the more heavily populated ones, move to greener sources of electricity.

What you can do varies with where you are etc. I've been insulating my house up to modern standards, one room at a time and I replaced the doors. We were going to do the windows this fall, but I buggered up my leg, so that will have to wait. We use electric space heaters and keep the central heating turned down so we don't heat parts the house we don't live in much because electricity here is both cheap and relatively clean.

I know people in rural areas who have gone to wood heat and geo-thermal, as well as electric. You can use solar and small scale wind power as well.

Everybody but the Conservatives have policies that will help you lower your consumption, and nobody is saying that your energy costs are going to go down even if nothing at all is instituted.

There's also the little matter of the Conservative plan being a kind of hidden tax as well. They say they are going to charge the 17 largest industries. They won't say how much they are going to charge so we don't know what kind of tax we're looking at, but you can bet those industries are going to pass their increased costs on to you. You can also bet that one of those industries is going to be the fossil fuel industry, so you'll those costs rise too.

[PluggyRug]

Libralesso Libralesso:

clearly you weren't reading, by paid I meant in an environmental sense. They did no harm to the environment and were punished for it.

After you have spent 25 years in the real world, I'll guarantee you will become a 'dyed in the wool' Conservative.

[Ripcat]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Libralesso Libralesso:

clearly you weren't reading, by paid I meant in an environmental sense. They did no harm to the environment and were punished for it.

After you have spent 25 years in the real world, I'll guarantee you will become a 'dyed in the wool' Conservative.

Maybe if a decent leader emerged.

[PluggyRug]

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

$1:

A tax for doing something bad eh? You mean bad things like heating your home in the middle of winter and having lighting so your kids can do their homework in January?

Sorry, but there are ways of reducing your heating bills and moving to cleaner forms of heating. You can also reduce your electricity consumption and in some places, generally the more heavily populated ones, move to greener sources of electricity.

What you can do varies with where you are etc. I've been insulating my house up to modern standards, one room at a time and I replaced the doors. We were going to do the windows this fall, but I buggered up my leg, so that will have to wait. We use electric space heaters and keep the central heating turned down so we don't heat parts the house we don't live in much because electricity here is both cheap and relatively clean.

I know people in rural areas who have gone to wood heat and geo-thermal, as well as electric. You can use solar and small scale wind power as well.

Everybody but the Conservatives have policies that will help you lower your consumption, and nobody is saying that your energy costs are going to go down even if nothing at all is instituted.

There's also the little matter of the Conservative plan being a kind of hidden tax as well. They say they are going to charge the 17 largest industries. They won't say how much they are going to charge so we don't know what kind of tax we're looking at, but you can bet those industries are going to pass their increased costs on to you. You can also bet that one of those industries is going to be the fossil fuel industry, so you'll those costs rise too.

Reducing your energy consumption does not require government legislation, which the Libs are failing to realise.

[PluggyRug]

Ripcat Ripcat:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Libralesso Libralesso:

clearly you weren't reading, by paid I meant in an environmental sense. They did no harm to the environment and were punished for it.

After you have spent 25 years in the real world, I'll guarantee you will become a 'dyed in the wool' Conservative.

Maybe if a decent leader emerged.

All leaders have faults, Harpers the currently the best we have (IMHO).

[Pimpbrewski]

ziggy ziggy:

I have allmost 30 years of ripping the earth apart and putting it back together experience and will point out any enviro destruction when I see it.

Most of you young un's have your skoolin and no experience but have at er!

Hey now, you better also recognize the several Quebecers and Newfies that assisted you along the way, in the north.

[Libralesso]

Lol that is whats wrong with most of the older generations, think they are wiser than the younger ones.

"Don't sell me short!
You've been wrong too long
Don't brush me off
just because I don't belong
Like it or not I'm all you've got,
Dispose when I'm shot
Just don't sell me short,"

Sorry had to throw that in there, bad religion song going to go see them on Wednesday. Chalk that up to my youth I guess, but they are a brilliant band. The lead singer and song writer is a PhD. in Zoology and touches on many vital issues in our society and facing the environment. Anyways the verse in there is exactly how many of the young and educated feel in this continent, because no one is giving them a chance. Its like that Simpson's episode where homer goes to college and thinks he knows more than the professor, some of you may not appreciate these references but a lot of the middle class and middle aged acts like that. Just because they have "real world experience" (apparently no on lives in the real world but them, we all live in a fake world), you think you know more. Well guess what you don't know more, we are all of equal intelligence. Also someone referred to learning in your pinko university, where is your PhD? Why don't you go teach a university class see how long it will be before you are fired. The mentality of some people are so self absorbed, thinking you know more than a professor.

[Reverend Blair]

$1:

Reducing your energy consumption does not require government legislation, which the Libs are failing to realise.

You miss the point. The other parties...all of the other parties...have programs to help people reduce their consumption. The Conservatives don't.

They do have a hidden environmental tax on the way though. We don't know how much it will be, and they've said they won't tell us until after the election, but if they institute their plan, it will cost us money.

[roger-roger]

Libralesso Libralesso:

The lead singer and song writer is a PhD. in Zoology and touches on many vital issues in our society and facing the environment.

Right, good thing he uses that to his advantage as a rock star . Just because you have a bunch of letters in front of your name doesnt mean a hell of a lot. This is why we have peer review papers.

Libralesso Libralesso:

Just because they have "real world experience" (apparently no on lives in the real world but them, we all live in a fake world),

For some things you do.

Libralesso Libralesso:

you think you know more.

For some things I do.

Libralesso Libralesso:

Well guess what you don't know more, we are all of equal intelligence. Also someone referred to learning in your pinko university, where is your PhD? Why don't you go teach a university class see how long it will be before you are fired. The mentality of some people are so self absorbed, thinking you know more than a professor.

There is a reason kids who just get out of collage do not get paid as much as someone who has been working "in the real world" for 5 years. You can also be a professor qualified to teach but not be qualified to do the job. Studying is the best way to prepare you for something, but it cannot be substituted for experience. This is why most professional careers require an apprenticeship or a practicum before being qualified to do a job. I do not claim to be a guru on all things, if there is something I do not know I will ask. However if I was given advice from a doctor with 7 years experience and then advice from a professor with 25 years teaching theory at a University, I would go with the doctor with 7 years.

[Reverend Blair]

$1:

Right, good thing he uses that to his advantage as a rock star . Just because you have a bunch of letters in front of your name doesnt mean a hell of a lot. This is why we have peer review papers.

Er...the scientists with peer-reviewed papers and tons of field experience tend to agree with the guy from Bad Religion more than they agree with John Baird.

[PluggyRug]

Libralesso Libralesso:

Lol that is whats wrong with most of the older generations, think they are wiser than the younger ones.

We are. Education is important but experience is just as important. Both complement each other.

Wisdom does not come from education alone.

[Libralesso]

Ironically rock stars get more respect in this continent than the intelligent. so I guess he is using his intelligence wisely, he is getting his message across to the young through music. I think you place to high emphasis on experience, I know of some pretty crappy doctors with years in the field, and I think I know more doctors than you I am disabled I have been in and out of doctors offices and hospitals. One doctor actually wanted to do an operations that had a 70% failure rate on people and was completely unnecessary. Actually I have had that happen twice to me in my life time. So experience does not always equal up to intelligence. It took someone with the right education on the subject to say don't get those operations, they wont work on someone who has your disability.

Experience is a bonus, but you need the right education first.