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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:34 pm
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Potential voting irregularities on Indian reserves without opposing party scrutineers being present occurring? You're right Donny, Chiefs and their feudal reserves are well regarded as bastions of honesty and integrity. Furthermore, the 70% native inmates that make up prairie prison populations demonstrate unquestionably that all dishonest native peoples have been effectively removed from the greater population rendering dishonesty in the community impossible.


ambivalnet: I presume this is the comment you are talking about. It is sarcasm and I have every right to say it.

I don’t wish to offend but over 1000 native women on the prairies have been murdered/disappeared over the last 40 years and no one gets charged, no one cares and more go missing every week. Meanwhile, the prisons out west are filled to the brim disproportionately with native men while Chiefs rob their reserves blind. A disproportionate number of people trying to escape the hopelessness of the reserves wander the streets of Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, Calgary and Saskatoon doomed to a life of drugs and alcohol that they tried to leave behind. All the healing circles and handouts in the world are not helping and each generation is a little worse off then the last.

Excuse me if people are offended.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:51 pm
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
ambivalnet: I presume this is the comment you are talking about. It is sarcasm and I have every right to say it.

I don’t wish to offend but over 1000 native women on the prairies have been murdered/disappeared over the last 40 years and no one gets charged, no one cares and more go missing every week. Meanwhile, the prisons out west are filled to the brim disproportionately with native men while Chiefs rob their reserves blind. A disproportionate number of people trying to escape the hopelessness of the reserves wander the streets of Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, Calgary and Saskatoon doomed to a life of drugs and alcohol that they tried to leave behind. All the healing circles and handouts in the world are not helping and each generation is a little worse off then the last.

Excuse me if people are offended.


These atrocities happen because lives are undervalued (I'm sure you already know that).

It's like what happened in BC - no one went looking and no one cared until the outcry became impossible to ignore.

I just don't think it helps to keep painting a picture of negativity over and over when asswipes like hwacko there are already cracking jokes about starlight tours. It just further entrenching him and his ilk in a belief that there are people who are, by virtue of an accident of birth, worth less than they are, and worse, worthless.

It's what gives the initial rumour its legs.


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I agree that the lives are undervalued, especially a woman's. As long as they remian wards of the State I don't see this ever ending. hwacker has as much right to critique the welfare mentality of Indian Affairs as Donny does to defend it.

I may at times agree with them or I may disagree. I respect what you're saying though.





PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:51 am
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

I don’t wish to offend but over 1000 native women on the prairies have been murdered/disappeared over the last 40 years and no one gets charged, no one cares and more go missing every week.


These are our sisters and our cousins and our mothers. How can we not care? How about instructing the police to do proper investigations into the missing and dead Indian women? If that many white women went missing there sure would be some action. We have to beg the cops to do their jobs.

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Meanwhile, the prisons out west are filled to the brim disproportionately with native men while Chiefs rob their reserves blind.
You keep saying this. We have 75 FN's in Saskatchewan. Lets see some proof that all of these chiefs are thieves.

If you can't prove it then shut the fuck up.

You should do some research on poverty and racism and find out why our jails are filled with Native men. You obviously have no clue besides your own redneck viewpoint.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:16 am
 


BACK ON TOPIC


The NDP candidate is also now alleging voter intimidation, and ballot box stuffing.

Who cares what race the candidates are, if these allegations have any merit whatsoever they are deserving of a proper investigation and recount.

When 3 1/2 hours go by after the last poll seems to be reported and then a new poll comes in from an area and has 100% voter turnout and an unproportional amount of votes go liberal; it'll raise questions with just about anyone.





PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:25 am
 


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BACK ON TOPIC


The NDP candidate is also now alleging voter intimidation, and ballot box stuffing.

Who cares what race the candidates are, if these allegations have any merit whatsoever they are deserving of a proper investigation and recount.

When 3 1/2 hours go by after the last poll seems to be reported and then a new poll comes in from an area and has 100% voter turnout and an unproportional amount of votes go liberal; it'll raise questions with just about anyone.


I agree. But lets not assume someone did something wrong.

I think that in many First Nations communities people have never voted in masses. People may not be on the voters list. You can still vote if you’re not on the list by providing proof of residence. You get a few dozens of people doing this and you can have way more the 100% of the people on the voters list actually vote.

We should be congratulating these people for exercising their democratic rights to help change their lives.

On the other hand, if there were problems then Elections Canada had the duty to look into them and have a re-vote if need be.


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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
These are our sisters and our cousins and our mothers. How can we not care? How about instructing the police to do proper investigations into the missing and dead Indian women? If that many white women went missing there sure would be some action. We have to beg the cops to do their jobs.


Agreed.

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
We have 75 FN's in Saskatchewan. Lets see some proof that all of these chiefs are thieves.


Now Donny, you know full well that mainstream Canadian media ignores any native issue out of fear of having people like you hurl accusations of racism. But, if you care to see what natives think (I doubt it and I am beginning to doubt your own authenticity the way you perpetuate the system, unless of course you're a Chief then I'd understand), check out the following link.

http://www.aptn.ca/forums/index.php?s=3 ... #entry7538

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
If you can't prove it then shut the fuck up.


You're a classy debator.

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
You should do some research on poverty and racism and find out why our jails are filled with Native men. You obviously have no clue besides your own redneck viewpoint.


The jails are filled with native men and women simply because they are not equipped with the 'tools' to function in Canadian society. I but my money where my mouth is and work with several organisations in Edmonton such as McBride, Bredan, Skills Link and Youth Connections by employing young native men in transition. In addition to that I am actively engaged in the community. I don't need to "research" as I live by my words.





PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:59 pm
 


Mutnaggewinu Mutnaggewinu:
Wow guys I must be in some rare case here.
My band is none of the above they are caring, kind, respectful peoples.
They have no need for money or to put their own interests above anyone’s first.
They take care and responsibility for all their actions they speak on behalf of every person in our community & other communities as well.
The live and practice of native spirituality and provide enough food and housing for our entire community. My leaders are wise and brave warriors who live like our ancestors did. They are a benefit to the human race.
They only have one wife/husband who they are utterly faithful to and they show now cowardice towards any bullies or ones who would do us harm. The only hunt & fish what is needed by all and when you see someone down and out you don't hesitate to help them out by giving the shirt off your back.
When the federal gov't tries to bully us by taking our traditional lands and polluting them or killing off our natural resources we unite as one big nation and we fight even if it means dying until we protect our lands at all costs.


There are many people across all of our nations who think like this. It is the few Corrupt leaders and the whiners on the reserve who want bigger welfare cheques and more hand outs that perpetuate the myth that all of our leadership is corrupt.

Like your link says, many have roads to build and water treatment plants to maintain and schools to hire teachers for. We do not have the manpower to fix your broken windows after your party or to change the doorknobs on your house because you broke them when you locked yourself out of the house.

They have debts to pay from previous expenditures, land that was stolen to re-coup and houses to build and maintain.

They do not get enough money to do all of the projects we are asked to do. INAC gives us the very bare minimum, after they get their cut. Not only that, they have to hire people out of our band's pockets to fill out the forms to document where every dollar goes. We submit these reports quarterly yet no one ever reads them. What a waste of money.

It’s a thankless job; they can not help everyone who needs help. We have many social problems to deal with like drug, alcohol and sexual abuse, suicides, murders and yet they still defend our people and our rights against the Canadian government and the few but vocal redneck bigots out there.

They are the Chiefs and council of First Nations across this country and they (the majority) are not corrupt. They are doing the best we can with the tools we have.

And if you are an Indian on a reserve you have many options if you want your doorknobs changed. You can do it yourself. You can move, you can volunteer to help the band do vital tasks so we can free up someone to help you eventually. You can run for council, start community hall meetings and be involved in the decision making.

You should have read your link, there were many good posts.





PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:02 pm
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
We have 75 FN's in Saskatchewan. Lets see some proof that all of these chiefs are thieves.




Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
If you can't prove it then shut the fuck up.


You're a classy debator.


I don't see any proof that these 75 chiefs are all corrupt like you contend. I would be suprised if yuo could find evidence on 5 of them or ever 2 of them.

Or did you stop cutting and pasting proof after your silly BNA cut and paste?


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