[ridenrain]

Yup.. everything to everybody, all the time.

.. as long as your a visable minority, immigrant, on welfare who lives in Toronto.
.. or a lawyer, banker or CBC hack.

[Lemmy]

xerxes xerxes:

For the most part, the Liberal Party usually fits that descrription.

Except for the fiscally conservative part.

[Praxius]

Just looking at the poll so far, it seems like yet another even split just like our elections.

Kinda interesting to see how divided people are on such things..... and not that I'm completely relying on the above poll for my assumption, I suspect that so long as people stay as divided on these things, we will probably be stuck with minorities for a while yet.

Then again, most of the West is Conservative while more of the Central/East is Liberal, so it's not all that suprising.

One thing I'm pretty sure of, is that so long as the main political parties keep acting like little children and turning our government into some half-assed Wrestling Shouting Match wanna'be Soap Opera.... most people won't want any party to gain a majority.

If they act like this with so little power, what would they be like with a majority.... cripes almighty in Murphy's chum bucket, I wouldn't want to imagine it.

[Proculation]

The paradox here is again in Quebec: we are tired of minority govt. but continue to vote Bloc

with the bloc that strong, there won't be a majority govt.

[sandorski]

I'm sick of the constant Campaigning. Time for a Majority.

[CommanderSock]

Minority has been fine. It keeps them all on their tippy-toes.

$1:

.. as long as your a visable minority, immigrant, on welfare who lives in Toronto.
.. or a lawyer, banker or CBC hack.

Visible minorities' vote is split between con and liberal.

It's cons who opened the immigration floodgates in the 80s.

And the liberals are a party of Toronto as much as the cons are a party of Alberta.

[Praxius]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Minority has been fine. It keeps them all on their tippy-toes.

$1:

.. as long as your a visable minority, immigrant, on welfare who lives in Toronto.
.. or a lawyer, banker or CBC hack.

Visible minorities' vote is split between con and liberal.

It's cons who opened the immigration floodgates in the 80s.

And the liberals are a party of Toronto as much as the cons are a party of Alberta.

Agreed.... which is why I vote NDP.... regardless of Lib/Con Socialism fearmongering.... they've done a good job over the years as main opposition here in NS, and now we're giving them the chance to run.

I've heard way too many people out west rant on about "Oh don't vote them in NS, look what they did to Ontario." or "Oh, they'll just spike your taxes up and hurt business."

Well the situation with Ontario is a different province, different time and a different group of people running things.

Hurt business? Hell, for how long now has all the taxing and money grabbing come from the pockets of everyday citizens while companies keep sucking back the profits while laying off the people who got them to where they are today with such profits?

And the scare tactics didn't work, cuz they're in power now..... for their very first time at that. If they start screwing around and don't take their one and only chance seriously, chances are they won't get another for another 20 years or so.

The Conservatives screwed NS over with the offshore deal, then tried to use what little money we got from it to pay off programs the Cons didn't calculate properly and spend the money illegally while trying to cover it up by delaying the budget for as long as possible.

Before that the Liberals gave us the HST.... now that was brilliant. People complained about paying too much on things that had both the GST and PST on them.... so rather then paying the 18% or so tax on those products(11% PST and 7% GST if I remember), the Liberals spun their HST plan, saying they'd drop it to 15%.

So everybody voted for them, thinking it was a wonderful idea.

What they forgot to mention in the fine print was that everything that was just 7% GST went up to 15% and everything that just had 11% PST was now 15%.... thus making it seem like we were saving some money on the few products with both taxes, but in reality, they screwed us over and sucked back even more money on the rest of the products we bought that only had one tax on them, completely countering exactly what everybody was complaining about.

Jerks!

In this past provincial election I think the Liberals dropped to a dismal 3rd place with their Iggy look-a-like leader.

[bootlegga]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

I wish we had a party that was socially conservative and fiscally liberal

I wish we had a leader and party like the Liberals of the 50s and early 60s (St. Laurent and Pearson). That way we'd have a capable CF and a social safety net. They understood that each was important for our nation.

Everyone since then (on both sides of the spectrum) has been a slacker on defence and so-so everywhere else.

[CommanderSock]

I think I'm going to vote for the greens in the next federal election. Seems like a safer bet.

[ridenrain]

The coalition cat is out of the bag and now the only government that is safe are huge majorittes that are difficult to get and dangerous. People need stability and the idea of a shakey coalition forcing another election is unacceptable.

Before you jump all over me for being hyper-partisan again, please reflect that this is applicable to all parties.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

I wish we had a party that was socially conservative and fiscally liberal

I wish we had a leader and party like the Liberals of the 50s and early 60s (St. Laurent and Pearson). That way we'd have a capable CF and a social safety net. They understood that each was important for our nation.

Everyone since then (on both sides of the spectrum) has been a slacker on defence and so-so everywhere else.

I would consider voting Liberal red if they ever went back to their roots ala St Laurent but they decided to take a turn to the left under Trudeau and never looked back.

[bootlegga]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I wish we had a leader and party like the Liberals of the 50s and early 60s (St. Laurent and Pearson). That way we'd have a capable CF and a social safety net. They understood that each was important for our nation.

Everyone since then (on both sides of the spectrum) has been a slacker on defence and so-so everywhere else.

I would consider voting Liberal red if they ever went back to their roots ala St Laurent but they decided to take a turn to the left under Trudeau and never looked back.

Well, I have to admit, it makes it very hard when I go into the voting booth. Last election, I actually voted for an independent.

I'm hoping that Ignatief will steer the Libs more to the centre from the left that Dion had them buried in.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I wish we had a leader and party like the Liberals of the 50s and early 60s (St. Laurent and Pearson). That way we'd have a capable CF and a social safety net. They understood that each was important for our nation.

Everyone since then (on both sides of the spectrum) has been a slacker on defence and so-so everywhere else.

I would consider voting Liberal red if they ever went back to their roots ala St Laurent but they decided to take a turn to the left under Trudeau and never looked back.

Well, I have to admit, it makes it very hard when I go into the voting booth. Last election, I actually voted for an independent.

I'm hoping that Ignatief will steer the Libs more to the centre from the left that Dion had them buried in.

I had originally thought placing Ignatief as leader was a brilliant move but lately I'm often left shaking my head at his actions/statements. It is looking like the "same old same old".

[Praxius]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The coalition cat is out of the bag and now the only government that is safe are huge majorittes that are difficult to get and dangerous. People need stability and the idea of a shakey coalition forcing another election is unacceptable.

Before you jump all over me for being hyper-partisan again, please reflect that this is applicable to all parties.

From what I remember, the three parties agreed to a list of things that needed to be done, which the Bloc agreed to back for a period of time. I didn't see any logical risks in this process except the risk of the government actually doing something.

If the Bloc veto'd a bunch of things based on the power given to them in the coalition, or if they brought up the seperation crap, or if the other parties started going dysfunctional, we'd simply go into another election.

I personally never saw any serious risks in the idea.

The risk I did see was with Harper flat out lying to the public saying that this was illegal, that he villianized Quebec and the Bloc, brought up the seperation thing which nobody else was talking about and almost split the country in half right then and there...... all for his own greedy agenda of holding onto power.

Then rather then letting things unfold, rather then going to another election to decide apon the Coalition, He runs off to the Gov. General to halt government.

Democracy Delayed is Democracy Denied.

IMO, the Coalition Cat has been out of the bag since WWI, but nobody really bothered with it since.

What has got out of the Bag is what Harper created, which is a scape goat for any PM who faces a non-confidence vote. Now everytime a PM faces this, he can get the Gov. General to halt the government so they can save their hide and attempt to correct their own screw ups.

To my knowlege, that's not what Prorogue was designed for.

I just think that if three of the four big parties were actually willing to work together and actually do some work via Coalition, all the power to them.... at least something would have been done.

But to each their own.

[2Cdo]

Praxius Praxius:

ridenrain ridenrain:

The coalition cat is out of the bag and now the only government that is safe are huge majorittes that are difficult to get and dangerous. People need stability and the idea of a shakey coalition forcing another election is unacceptable.

Before you jump all over me for being hyper-partisan again, please reflect that this is applicable to all parties.

From what I remember, the three parties agreed to a list of things that needed to be done, which the Bloc agreed to back for a period of time. I didn't see any logical risks in this process except the risk of the government actually doing something.

If the Bloc veto'd a bunch of things based on the power given to them in the coalition, or if they brought up the seperation crap, or if the other parties started going dysfunctional, we'd simply go into another election.

I personally never saw any serious risks in the idea.

The risk I did see was with Harper flat out lying to the public saying that this was illegal, that he villianized Quebec and the Bloc, brought up the seperation thing which nobody else was talking about and almost split the country in half right then and there...... all for his own greedy agenda of holding onto power.

Then rather then letting things unfold, rather then going to another election to decide apon the Coalition, He runs off to the Gov. General to halt government.

Democracy Delayed is Democracy Denied.

IMO, the Coalition Cat has been out of the bag since WWI, but nobody really bothered with it since.

What has got out of the Bag is what Harper created, which is a scape goat for any PM who faces a non-confidence vote. Now everytime a PM faces this, he can get the Gov. General to halt the government so they can save their hide and attempt to correct their own screw ups.

To my knowlege, that's not what Prorogue was designed for.

I just think that if three of the four big parties were actually willing to work together and actually do some work via Coalition, all the power to them.... at least something would have been done.

But to each their own.

That's all well and good but you omitted the fact that both the Bloc and NDP have stated that they will NOT work with the Conservatives. They even stated they were voting against the budget BEFORE even seeing the budget. Some cooperation between the parties Even the Libs waiting until seeing the budget.

Jack and Stephanie saw this one opportunity to have a little relevance but luckily it blew up in their face.