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Should the ban be kept or abolished?
Keep the ban  10%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:37 pm
 


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The Harper government will repeal the ban on communicating election results while polls are still open, bringing the law into harmony with the realities of instantaneous communications in the 21st century.

The ban on early communication of election results was adopted in 1938, to prevent western voters knowing the results of the election in the east when they cast their ballots.

Minister of State for Democratic Reform Tim Uppal announced on Twitter Friday that the antiquated law will been repealed.

"Our government is committed to bringing Canadian elections into the 21st century by getting rid of this dated and unenforceable law," Uppal said in a press release. "Canadians should have the freedom to communicate about election results without fear of penalization."

Section 329 of the Canada Elections Act prohibits the transmission of election results to a riding where voting is ongoing. Anyone wilfully breaking this prohibition, until now, was liable on a summary conviction to fines up to $25,000.

This law was broken with impunity on a widespread basis since the general election of 2000, when the immediacy of the Internet made keeping the results under wraps unrealistic.

"We're in the 21st century," said Uppal. "The ban, which was enacted in 1938, does not make sense with the widespread use of social media and other modern communications technology."

Michael Geist, the Canada Research Chair in Internet and e-commerce law at the University of Ottawa, said the repeal of this law is "long overdue." He said the law was clearly in conflict with basic rights to free expression.

"Real time discussion and analysis takes place on Twitter," he said. "The notion that we would prohibit that with real penalties runs completely counter to our traditional protections for freedom of expression."

Geist says that the communications reality in Canada has shifted enormously even since 2005, given the widespread rise of instant broadcast capabilities of social media tools like Facebook and Twitter. Regulating the use of social media is nearly impossible, he said.

"The practical enforceability of this is exceptionally difficult," he said. "We would literally have to move to a China-like system of blocking access to the Internet."

In recent years, the law has been repeatedly challenged in court, and Canada's chief electoral officer has admitted that it is unenforceable in the face of current technologies.

Following the 2000 general election, the ban was challenged as being contrary to the freedom of expression protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In 2003, the Supreme Court of British Columbia declared the ban unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled on the law in 2007, finding the limitation justified, but referring the question to Canada's political class.

"Within constitutional bounds, policy preferences of this sort remain the prerogative of Parliament, not of the courts," the Supreme Court ruling says.



http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technolo ... story.html

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Well, while I'm sure there's a delusional few out there that were positive Harper would switch to a China-like system, all in all, what else could he do?
The law is utterly unenforceable without stomping all over the Constitution.
While I do think the spirit of law is quite reasonable, unless someone can figure out how to shut down the internet and all other electronic communications on voting day, it is highly impractical in the 21st century.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:50 pm
 


It'll go once the people paying attention see "X Party wins" before the western votes are counted.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:54 pm
 


Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:00 pm
 


That's what I always thought, Peck.
Don't open the ballot boxes until all polls are closed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:06 pm
 


This is one of those things that our news addicted society doesn't need to see until it's all over. I agree, if you want to make sure there is no undue influence at one end of the country when the other end of the country has already reported in then just don't count the ballots until all poling stations are closed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:12 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.


There you go. That sounds reasonable.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:38 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.



Yup.


They do this for elections in Slovakia and Italy.. no early returns.


Easy solution....


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:31 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.


It really could be that easy, but I'm sure someone would whine that it's their right to know results as soon as possible. :roll:

Honestly, would anyone here have an issue with having to wait until the following morning? I'm pretty sure the country could manage just fine waiting until the next day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:37 pm
 


peck420 peck420:
Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.


But but but...how can we stuff ballot boxes full of fake votes? :lol:

Yeah, honestly that's the best solution. Watch the government bureaucracy not figure it out for a few years.


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peck420 peck420:
Abolish the ban and institute a clause that states that electoral results can not be revealed (from the government and counting stations) until all polling stations are closed.

Problem solved.

So we don't find out until the day after who won...really not that big of a deal.


It really could be that easy, but I'm sure someone would whine that it's their right to know results as soon as possible. :roll:

Honestly, would anyone here have an issue with having to wait until the following morning? I'm pretty sure the country could manage just fine waiting until the next day.


Well most newspapers operate on a morning edition basis, they will not like it very much.

On the other hand in India I believe it takes 2 weeks to finish the count.

In any case the present system does not work if you want to shield Western voters from Eastern results.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:54 pm
 


Staggering the polling times or like Peck mentioned, don't let them announce counts until after 8 pm Pacific time is just too hard for them to think of.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:26 am
 


Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:
Well most newspapers operate on a morning edition basis, they will not like it very much.


True, but then more people today get their news electronicaly.

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On the other hand in India I believe it takes 2 weeks to finish the count.


I think they're just a little bigger than us! :wink:

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In any case the present system does not work if you want to shield Western voters from Eastern results.


Agreed.


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