[CountLothian]

I think they can.
I recall the absolute joy and feeling of good will when under Bob Ray they opened the doors of Queens Park to the public .

It felt new and in the hands of the people for the people.

Everything was fine until Bob decided to save everyone's jobs and pensions and benefits and create a four day work week known as Ray Days.

For some weird reason it ruined him and then the grand daddy of all bastards won .....Mike Harris...fired nurses cut back on everything and killed jobs galore.

His common sense revolution left over hacks found their way into Harper' fascist corrupt regime and ruined the flavour of Canada.

YES they would bring change >>>>> a dawning of a feeling of being free again .

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CountLothian CountLothian:

I think they can.
I recall the absolute joy and feeling of good will when under Bob Ray they opened the doors of Queens Park to the public .

It felt new and in the hands of the people for the people.

Everything was fine until Bob decided to save everyone's jobs and pensions and benefits and create a four day work week known as Ray Days.[/quoye] Really. So everyone in Ontario worked for the snivel service did they? Rae also decided that weekends were for working, not spending time with family. Unless of course you were a snivel servant.

CountLothian CountLothian:

For some weird reason it ruined him

No, that had to do more with his abandoning the people while making sure insurance companies profits stayed healthy at the expense of their clients. Bob Rae showed that when it comes to corporate interests, he was no different than the rest of the garbage.

CountLothian CountLothian:

and then the grand daddy of all bastards won .....Mike Harris...fired nurses cut back on everything and killed jobs galore.

Ah yes, the talking points of the ill-informed idiot who never lived in Ontario and prefers narrative over reality.
Harris closed hospitals and schools that were running at half capacity or less. The closures were fiscally prudent moves that needed to be made. The neighbourhood I grew up in was a perfect example. 6 elementary schools within a 1 mile radius plus a middle school and none of them were operating at anywhere near capacity except the French school and middle school. The French school was also the only school in the area that went to Grade 8. The rest went to Grade 6 where students then attended the middle school. The middle school was ultimately closed down. The French school is still open. One catholic and 2 public schools were closed down while one catholic school and one public school were expanded to Grade 8 and to fit more students.
Same with the hospitals. Windsor had 4 hospitals, one of which operated at half capacity, although the city STILL had no chronic heart care facility because Bob the Knob Rae didn't think it was necessary despite the desperate need.

In Cambridge, Harris actually increased the funding for their hospital as well as providing a slush fund for badly needed upgrades and repairs. But, in a great example of the small-minded pettiness that Liberals are quite adept at demonstrating, when McGuinty got elected he killed the increased funding and scrapped the slush fund and gave both to Guelph hospital. Why? Because Cambridge voted Conservative and Guelph voted Liberal. Same with Kitchener. Funny how the biggest hospital in the region had it's emergency dept shut down for over 6 months because the Liberals "didn't have the money". Yeah, another city that voted Conservative, how convenient.

So do us a favour, just leave like you said you were going to and shut the fuck up about stuff you now dick all about.

[OnTheIce]

CountLothian CountLothian:

I think they can.
I recall the absolute joy and feeling of good will when under Bob Ray they opened the doors of Queens Park to the public .

It felt new and in the hands of the people for the people.

Everything was fine until Bob decided to save everyone's jobs and pensions and benefits and create a four day work week known as Ray Days.

For some weird reason it ruined him and then the grand daddy of all bastards won .....Mike Harris...fired nurses cut back on everything and killed jobs galore.

His common sense revolution left over hacks found their way into Harper' fascist corrupt regime and ruined the flavour of Canada.

YES they would bring change >>>>> a dawning of a feeling of being free again .

First off, his last name was "Rae"....not "Ray".

Bob Rae didn't create the 4 day work week. The plan called for 12 days off, per year, unpaid.

The health cuts during the Harris era were due to Federal cuts to health transfers. Add to that, when Harris left office, the funding that was removed by the Feds was replaced by the Province and health care spending was actually up.

Care to try again?

[DrCaleb]

The NDP cannot represent Canada unless Mulcair is willing to abide by the laws of Canada.

[PluggyRug]

Any government can bring about change. Whether it's beneficial or detrimental is usually in the eye of the beholder.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The NDP cannot represent Canada unless Mulcair and his whole party are willing to abide by the laws of Canada

Fixed!

The thing is though, Mulcair and crew always seem to be on a different planet. Rather than outline their plans in full, they are the first to resort to scare tactics, and the he said/she said finger pointing game.

Layton I respected, as a man and as a politician. He might have been misguided sometimes, but he fought for the people, and always outlined his plans and such. He was also one of those rare politicians that would think before he spoke.

Mulcair on the other hands suffers for idiotic syndrome, as well as foot in mouth disease. He has no principles, and doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

-J.

[DrCaleb]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Mulcair on the other hands suffers for idiotic syndrome, as well as foot in mouth disease. He has no principles, and doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

-J.

That can be said of any of them though! The ones who care about Canadians more than themselves or their party are the ones that are proposing things that the average Canadian wants them to accomplish.

From what I see in polls right now, the average Canadian cares about job creation, fixing healthcare, rising debt . . .and none of the politicians seem to be talking about this. It's mostly hurling insults and accusations about Mike Duffy that is the topic of conversations.

[andyt]

Govts can't do much about job creation unless it's in the public sector. Or they spend money on infrastructure and such. That leads to rising debt, because despite everybody being convinced that there's all sorts of waste to be cut in govt, when the govt tries to cut a program that the complainer cares about, all of a sudden govt pork isn't so bad. Of course the govt could always raise taxes, and cut out some of the giveaways Harper has put into place. Watch the screaming if a govt tries to do that.

Health care, how do you fix it? It's just going to cost more and more with an aging population. I doubt we could successfully adopt a European system of private and public mix, because he US insurers would be in like a dirty shirt under NAFTA, instead of the non-profit insurers they have in Europe.

So the pols don't talk about it because there isn't a clear direction that most Canadians agree with on these issues. We've been lied to so long, we can't handle the truth.

I don't like Harper's buying off the upper middle class, I think govt money spent on lowest income earners gives much better returns for the country, saves money in the end. But C51, hobbling of Elections Canada, Robocalls, muzzling of scientists, and so on are the reason to dump Harper, period. And the Duffy saga just fits right in there with the machinations, and it's the only one where there may be some clarity coming out of it.

[CountLothian]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The NDP cannot represent Canada unless Mulcair is willing to abide by the laws of Canada.

Well the "C" logo hasn't abided by Canadain laws both written and unwritten.

by the way to the seething maggot that vomits here, i've lived in ontario since the mid seventies.

I think Ray was a spell check thing, and thanks for the recap on how many rae days were involved. 12 instead of 52 makes my point louder.

Mike Harris is the reason the conservatives can't get much more than a foot hold in the province and people voted for a crook rather than that bulbous despotic "Fucking Indians" ipperwashout prick.

The province needed fixing in his aftermath, of loathe the poor and try to make certain classes richer and more powerfull such as drop rent controls at the same time mortgages became insanely low and banks were giving them to people's pets.

[CountLothian]

andyt andyt:

Govts can't do much about job creation unless it's in the public sector.

Don't tell anyone that they will think you are a commie or something.

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Or they spend money on infrastructure and such

Which is what they are mandated to do, and Saint Fartybags of Ireland did just that and called it part of the deficit spending, which it was not.

$1:

. That leads to rising debt, because despite everybody being convinced that there's all sorts of waste to be cut in govt, when the govt tries to cut a program that the complainer cares about, all of a sudden govt pork isn't so bad.

government pork is what Harper has done since the campaign has started. The taxable con handout family benefit's cheque is the worse case scenario and no one ever had the gumption to do anything of this sort ever, well maybe Duplessis in quebec . He used to arrive in small towns buy kids shoes and send them home telling them to tell their parents who bought them..Same diff. very Canadianesque of Harper.

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Of course the govt could always raise taxes, and cut out some of the giveaways Harper has put into place. Watch the screaming if a govt tries to do that.

you should have added "again" for he has given hidden tax hikes , such as the handout to families they have to pay back.

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Health care, how do you fix it? It's just going to cost more and more with an aging population. I doubt we could successfully adopt a European system of private and public mix, because he US insurers would be in like a dirty shirt under NAFTA, instead of the non-profit insurers they have in Europe.

can't add to that piece of lucid and historic piece of truth.

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So the pols don't talk about it because there isn't a clear direction that most Canadians agree with on these issues. We've been lied to so long, we can't handle the truth.

When I came here I got a lot of"Well thats just politics and politicians "

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I don't like Harper's buying off the upper middle class, I think govt money spent on lowest income earners gives much better returns for the country, saves money in the end.

It in fact does help when given to the poor .They blow it on the economy really fast. The upper classes are who pay Harper's "C" logo bills . He panders to them and the real wierd thing and I mean really wierd thing is this.
Most of my friends are Harperites in off line life...i don't have online friends i think it is bullocks and not real... take ...how people act here...you don't get that in real life or you would have zero friends and family around or be locked up.

So these friends of mine vote for Harper because it somehow makes them feel superior and upper class.

It gives them a false sense of being better than everyone else. Conservatives are mostly like that, but in reality a lot of them are just wannabe's.


They lie to themselves and hide in a vote. It's all abpout a feeling of belonging to something better.

Oh a long time ago this wasn't the case in Canada, all parties have changed, the Most Canadian are NDP and Liberal now . they hold the only semblance of true Canadian values and carry the age old theme that people abroad thought of us before Harper gave them the chance to point and say "See Canada is not special , they are just the same as america"

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But C51, hobbling of Elections Canada, Robocalls, muzzling of

scientists, and so on are the reason to dump Harper, period.

Well you could add his non handling of the economy and like some religious freak who still does not believe in his fairy tale Shouts about how good it is

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And the Duffy saga just fits right in there with the machinations, and it's the only one where there may be some clarity coming out of it.

The duffy saga is not a saga but real life . It screams about the culture that Harper turned his PMO into.


Thats what it really does and that guy screaming at the media person, is typical of a hanger oner who knows deep down he has been shown for what he gave his money to . That guy is on the "C" logo fund raising circus for sure and it hurts..it really hurts as his melt down shows.






what? too long?

[OnTheIce]

CountLothian CountLothian:

I think Ray was a spell check thing, and thanks for the recap on how many rae days were involved. 12 instead of 52 makes my point louder.

No, it makes your point invalid.

CountLothian CountLothian:

Mike Harris is the reason the conservatives can't get much more than a foot hold in the province and people voted for a crook rather than that bulbous despotic "Fucking Indians" ipperwashout prick.

The Conservatives hold a 6 point lead in the current polls for Ontario and currently have 73 seats in the Province.

CountLothian CountLothian:

The province needed fixing in his aftermath, of loathe the poor and try to make certain classes richer and more powerfull such as drop rent controls at the same time mortgages became insanely low and banks were giving them to people's pets.

If 'fixing' was required, the Liberals have failed miserably. Initiating the two largest tax increases in Ontario history combined with record debt, their tenure has been nothing short of a miserable failure.

Quite often, you've complained about the lack of debate. This post, as an example, shows that you're ill-prepared for any debate, especially as it relates to the facts.

[Thanos]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The Conservatives hold a 6 point lead in the current polls for Ontario and currently have 73 seats in the Province.

May whatever god exists please make it stay that way up to election day.

[CountLothian]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Quite often, you've complained about the lack of debate. This post, as an example, shows that you're ill-prepared for any debate, especially as it relates to the facts.

I can't debate with you for you missed my points and forced them into a different hole.... that is your paradigm of thought process.

Point being 12 days is better than 52 days. People were freaking out over 12 lost days of work to save thousands of jobs.....thats fucked beyond fucked...only to be topped by your ignoring it to turn Lothian on me.


point being I was talking about the poor need fixing and you jumped in like Count Lothian to make an entirely different point of your own to bash Liberal Party anything.

Fucking "A"
a wanker and a decent bloke in a wank fest of a forum.

[CountLothian]

Thanos Thanos:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The Conservatives hold a 6 point lead in the current polls for Ontario and currently have 73 seats in the Province.

May whatever god exists please make it stay that way up to election day.

yeah you only got four years to go and no one really wants a "C"logo in there , the polls show a distaste for the broad is all.

when the election starts they will win for a Liberal Party will have fixed Canada federally and it's all Happy days are here again.

lol...i know it's as bad as your post...

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Do everyone a favour, Count, and take a long walk down a short pier. Because I'm a nice guy, I'll even provide the rocks at my own expense.

-J.