[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/ ... china.html

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"Mr. Harper, I think, believes you can go to one of the greatest civilizations on earth, a superpower of the 21st century and give them a little lecture on human rights," Ignatieff told CBC News.

And standing by and saying nothing, while whoring yourself for the mythical Chinese market, is just so much better.

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"You have to give them credit for a fact not enough Canadians, I think, recognize which is over the last 10 years, the most important human-rights advance in the world has been the hundreds of millions of Chinese lifted out of absolute poverty," Ignatieff said.

Yeah, but what about the other billion who are even worse off?

[Delwin]

Harper decides to critsize a country who's record is improving on civil right's issues and remains silent on the deterioration of civil rights in Gitmo.

It's called backwards diplomacy.

[ridenrain]

What a load Delwin!
Even if it's as bad as you pretend, China still would struggle to meet the rights of those detained in Gitmo. What country was it that was harvesting organs from "prisoners"?

[Delwin]

First of all,

I don't know what qualifies the natural resource minister Gary Nunn to make critisisms on human's right issues:

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Gary Lunn, the natural resources minister, said he raised human rights issues with senior Chinese officials when he met them in Beijing this week. He also raised his government's concerns about Huseyin Celil, a Canadian citizen who is being held in a Chinese prison.

Equivilant to the Chinese defence minister telling us we should try and hit our kyoto targets, and an insult in and of itself.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... y/National

Secondly,

Who is Harper kidding ? This is the same guy who condoned the Isreali bombing of lebonnon as a "measured response", asked why the dead UN observers were in Lebonnon istead of, why they were bombed. The same guy who wants to revoke the rights of gays, take away women's right to choose, and condones the abuses of prisoners at Gitmo.

Everyone knows about the rights abuses in China, and everyone still does business with them. Harper is going to flush our economy down the drain to create some kind of new "Champion of Human rights image". China must be confronted by the international community if any change is to occur. By sticking his head out like this, he is risking having it lopped off.

[Tricks]

Delwin Delwin:

Harper decides to critsize a country who's record is improving on civil right's issues and remains silent on the deterioration of civil rights in Gitmo.

It's called backwards diplomacy.

It doesn't matter if it is improving, if it is still one of the worst civil right's countries on the planet.

[Delwin]

Chinese human rights slowly improving(CNN):

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In relative terms, however, China has moved away from the totalitarian rule of the Maoist era to an environment of soft authoritarianism. Human rights are slowly improving as a result, although progress is not always straightforward.

Personal freedoms, such as citizens' rights to choose their employment and residence, are at unprecedented levels. Economic reforms of the past two decades have created new distance between state and society and have transformed some key institutions.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china. ... s.dalpino/

Human rights watch encourages international trade with China:

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Q: Does the recent EU accord on support for China's entry into WTO help or hinder the human rights cause?

A: Human Rights Watch believes that broader trade with China can be consistent with advancing human rights, but only if it is combined with effective, sustained pressure on China to respect basic civil and political rights.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/china/chin ... stions.htm

If HRW believes that trade can advance human rights issues in China, and Harper and co., are making critizisms which could negatively imapact our trade relationship, then is Harper really advancing the cause of Human rights? or is he hindering it?

[ridenrain]

Still rooting for the terrorists, I see.

You must be talking about getting in on the recycled organ market that China's pioneering. I'd gladly pay more for my shirts & socks if crap like that could be removed from the world.
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If you guys are all so worried about trade, why were you pissing on the Americans, our biggest and best trading partner for the last decade?
The US actually buys our finished goods, unlike China, who only wants our raw materials, so they can make things & sell them back to us.

[RUEZ]

Delwin Delwin:

If HRW believes that trade can advance human rights issues in China, and Harper and co., are making critizisms which could negatively imapact our trade relationship, then is Harper really advancing the cause of Human rights? or is he hindering it?

Seriously are you that stupid. You know if the liberals were in power and did what Harper did you'd be all over yourself in glee.

[Zaphod]

Delwin Delwin:

The same guy who wants to revoke the rights of gays, take away women's right to choose...

Harper doesn't want to take away the rights of gays, he wants to re-open the debate on the definition of marriage. He's always advocated equal rights, just that same-sex unions not be called "marriages". And really, I'm not sure why the right to call a same-sex civil union (which would provide exactly the same legal rights as a marriage) a "marriage" is so important. Why exactly do gays want that word so badly? Why can't they be happy with equal rights, even if they arrive under a different name?

And Harper has never advocated making abortion illegal to my knowledge. That's simply one of the smears his opponents have tried to make stick in order to make him less palatable to moderate voters. I'm surprised they haven't accused him of eating live babies.

Just more left-wing spin, misinformation and obfuscation. Nice try though. Maybe you have a gun registry you'd like to sell me? A deal at $2 Billion to be sure.