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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:51 am
 


An interesting article.
Grits already conceding
The part I find really interesting is this:
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The aide said there's a silver lining to defeat, pointing out a small minority would make Harper vulnerable to defeat on his first budget vote and see a likely Grit comeback.
So I guess the liberals are planning to throw us into another election as soon as possible. Just what we need. A chance to decimate there party.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:41 am
 


Did anyone else see this coming?

Liberals feel that Canada is always theres to govern, even when their not in power they'll find a way to somehow get back on top. If calling an election will do it, then expect Martins Liberals to call another election. It sucks to be the Liberals if the election results call for a majority government though. Personally, I don't want Canada to turn out like the US, so I'd rather have another election in due time. For now I guess we'll have to give Harper a chance at running Canada, and I bet my shiny nickel that he screws up...badly.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:46 am
 


Given that most of Harper's policies are at odds with all three other parties, it is doubtful that his minority will last very long. The closest to him ideologically are the Liberals and given the animosity between those two parties, Harper is unlikely to find much support there.

I think the Liberals will be cooperative until they choose a new leader and he gets relatively established, then the government will fall. We could have two elections in 2006. 8)


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:47 am
 


think joe clark if Stephen Harper tries to govern as though he has a majority...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:48 am
 


How can there be another election soon when the Liberal party will be without a leader? If you think Martin will last, you're kidding yourself.

It'll take some time to rebuild the party.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:53 am
 


It would not be smart to call another election, too much money, and no one would care.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:54 am
 


actually i think the left wing of the libs will join the ndp or the greens and the right wing the cons or the greens and mayby a few diehards will stay on as libs. Wait this is only me dream nvm.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:58 am
 


Honestly, I'd like to see more than 3 years under a minority so we can have proof it will work in the current day. I'm unconvinced that it can though.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:50 am
 


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How can there be another election soon when the Liberal party will be without a leader? If you think Martin will last, you're kidding yourself.

It'll take some time to rebuild the party.


It won't take much time. They've got the machinery more or less in place...this is the Liberal Party, remember? The Big Red Machine that exists to win elections and governs in its spare time.

A leadership race would help to build momentum and with Martin out of the picture the Martin/Chretien feud can finally be ended.

They need three things though.

1) A real leadership race, not a coronation that alienates much of the party like happened with Martin. That race looked very much like the fix was in. If Copps wasn't there annoying everybody, it wouldn't have even been any fun to watch.

2) A well-known leader without a lot of baggage, preferably from outside of federal politics. That means Ignatief should lose out because of his books and Manley should lose out because of his past history as a cabinet minister. Copps should run for the leadership again because she makes me laugh, but if she even does well the party is finished.

3) They can't break down in recriminations and party infighting. That's the Conservatives gig historically, and the Liberals have used it to their advantage enough that they should know better.

If the Liberals break any of those rules, and likely several I haven't thought of, the party could collapse. We could end up with a left-right dichotomy like we have in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. That's not a bad thing at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:16 am
 


the dying Liberals would have thrown their support behind the NDP candidates in hopes that would make a difference. If they are clever the voters still will.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:32 am
 


A lot of people are hoping for that, Fig. Not a lot are counting on it though. Mostly we're just trying to stop a haemorrhage to the Liberals of people terrified of Harper.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:37 am
 


I am disgusted with the Liberal party in general. I am also fearful that people will give their votes to parties which have no chance of winning any seats instead of making them count.

If the Liberals hadn't sunk so low I would promote tossing the vote to them to stem the Conservatives. If they had Trudeau yet.... God; there was a LEADER.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:42 am
 


If it is a conservative minority gov, Martin is gone. The Liberals will have a leadership race in three to six months. Then, the people will get to know the new leader. The conservatives will probably do something really unpopular right about the time the new lib leader is getting known and we'll be off to another campaign. Eighteen months tops before the next election I figure.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:47 am
 


We were having a brainstorming session at the last Executive Planning Committee meeting and meaning to say 'next time' our candidate accidently said 'next year'. We all laughed because we are all aware that is the truth.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:54 am
 


QBC QBC:
If it is a conservative minority gov, Martin is gone. The Liberals will have a leadership race in three to six months. Then, the people will get to know the new leader. The conservatives will probably do something really unpopular right about the time the new lib leader is getting known and we'll be off to another campaign. Eighteen months tops before the next election I figure.


That's exactly what people said about Harper and the cons when he lost last time......I think it's Harper that will be done after he loses this election....

Remember the predictions for today are same as the predictions last time....and we all know what happened then....

If the cons do win, the libs will probably act the same way that the cons acted last time when they lost to a minority......

They'll wait until they think the time is right and then bring down the gov't...


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