[Libralesso]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/stor ... -vote.html

There is a huge lack of concern for the Aboriginal nations within this country. Although this does not come as a surprise since Canada has always ignored, oppressed, and tried to hide the different nations. This country is very much still a white settler state. No federal government has handled native affairs well, and i doesn't seem like any government cares to. The government and media victimize and dehumanize native peoples, and for the most part the masses believe them.

[roger-roger]

Almost everything else I agree with but...

$1:

The government and media victimize and dehumanize native peoples, and for the most part the masses believe them.

.... I dont know about that.

[herbie]

What a load of shit.
Quit acting like a bunch of helpless babies and do something for yourselves, there's half a dozen turbans in the House of Commons and no natives.
No they haven't handled shit very well, and they sure as hell won't without someone stepping up to the plate and telling them exactly what you want them to do. Maybe some native MPs with a plan besides perpetuating the current inaction for another 200 years.
So yeah - I agree with you.
But natives have to do it themselves.
From what I've seen living amongst them it's just a bunch of federal bureaucrats and native reps who wangled their way onto the talks eating lobster dinners, flying all over, pushing paper, padding expense accounts and preserving the status quo.
No individual band member ever gets a say.

[Libralesso]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Almost everything else I agree with but...

$1:

The government and media victimize and dehumanize native peoples, and for the most part the masses believe them.

.... I dont know about that.

what part of the sentence don't you agree with, or is it the whole sentence? Because if you look at those media representations of Aboriginal people they are horrible. they make it look like the protests are for no reason, its just Aboriginal people fighting for a silly cause. Like WTF is that about its completely victimizing them.

EDIT: They would like to do something to help themselves, however are not given much chance in our society. Once they leave the reserve they lose all benefits, and those reserve schools do not provide that great of education to help enter into the university sphere. There are huge emotional scares due to the residential schools. Patronizing federal bills such as the Indian Act. Maybe we should open the doors to Canada a little bit more so they can have more of a say. Stop shoveling them off to the back of our society and see what the band leaders have to say.

[saturn_656]

Libralesso Libralesso:

This country is very much still a white settler state.

Got something against white people?

[roger-roger]

What are all the road blocks about? The only message I get from the aboriginal side is that they are upset. I mean I know more about Tibet and their bid for freedom then I do from what aboriginal protests are about.

[Libralesso]

No white settler state is a term commonly used when talking about this country from a racial point of view. Well do you try to get information on the Aboriginal communities, or do you just read the news because the news wont tell you what they are about. You have to go out, talk to the leaders look at their sites. Or better yet study the history of the nation, you have to make the effort here.

[roger-roger]

Why cant I ask you since you so gladly hopped up on the soap box...

[Libralesso]

lily lily:

Libralesso Libralesso:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/20/bc-first-nations-vote.html

There is a huge lack of concern for the Aboriginal nations within this country. Although this does not come as a surprise since Canada has always ignored, oppressed, and tried to hide the different nations. This country is very much still a white settler state. No federal government has handled native affairs well, and i doesn't seem like any government cares to. The government and media victimize and dehumanize native peoples, and for the most part the masses believe them.

Are the natives not interested inthe same sort of things the rest of us are... a stable economy, jobs, tax, sex scandals, etc?

First off to Eisensapper you can ask me but I don't know every nation's issues off the back of my hand. There are a lot of different nations here in Canada.

second to the quote, yes many are interested in that too, but first many also want their issues addressed. It's unfair to ignore the issues of the different Aboriginal nations.

[roger-roger]

Well then what are some common issues, lets start with the issues of your nation.

[Libralesso]

I am not part of an Aboriginal Nation. Uh I could start with the Grassy Narrows who were relocated off their traditional land, and now companies such as paper mills are polluting their drinking water. That's one issue that particular nation has.

[roger-roger]

Couldnt they sue the papermills, it seems more of a private issue then a national one?

[Libralesso]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Couldnt they sue the papermills, it seems more of a private issue then a national one?

Not necessarily, because the paper mill would have more money than the nation. Because the nation already has to pay lawyers to look at their land claim issues, and then paying a lawyer on the side to look at this would bankrupt them. While the paper mill would have enough money to keep it in court for years until the Aboriginal nation can't afford a lawyer anymore. But your right that is more of a personal issue, one that could stretch as a common issue across Canada would be the land claims issues each Nation has. There are other issues but this is the one that surfaces in the media mostly.

[roger-roger]

So why does this aboriginal nation have an issue with the goverment if its a private dispute with the paper mill?

[Libralesso]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

So why does this aboriginal nation have an issue with the goverment if its a private dispute with the paper mill?

They have an issue with the government over a land claim issue. They don't control their own land. As for the paper mill whenever they protest the paper mill the government sends its police "Riot control" squad in to stop their protests.