[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

And what's your expertise in assessing who are the worst drivers? The insurance industry spends a lot of time and effort assessing risk. Young male unmarried drives are about as risky as they come. I guess limiting this law to them would be seen as too discriminatory, so they just discriminate against young drivers. In BC, at least, that just would mean they have to wait 2 years after they can legally drink to legally drink and drive. As I said, to a degree BC has implemented that policy across the board, with administrative penalties harsher than what's happening in Quebec if you blow over .05.

Bet there will be lots of challenges to this law, since just using mouthwash will give a positive reading here.

One disclaimer, I believe seniors are actually the most dangerous per mile driven, but the drive so few miles they cost insurance companies a lot less money. But I would have no problem with extending this law to seniors either - they also have lots of problems already, don't need a woozy head on top of it.

Hell, I keep advocating for total prohibition on alcohol. Problem solved.

Prohibiting alcohol will not solve the problem. Drinking and driving is a problem in Afghanistan too, and alcohol is illegal. It'll keep the Mommy State folks happy because--well because their motto is

IF IT AIN"T PROHIBITED, IT'S MANDATORY.

[Benn]

jeff744 jeff744:

the ranking I found were natives > young > middle > senior > truckers.

Are you for real? That makes sense to you?

So where do young Native Truckers fall?

[jeff744]

Benn Benn:

jeff744 jeff744:

the ranking I found were natives > young > middle > senior > truckers.

Are you for real? That makes sense to you?

So where do young Native Truckers fall?

It makes perfect sense considering not a single native sped by me, resulting in me trying to hide from the rocks that tires love to fling. The young guys tended to notice me early and had the best manners. Middle aged were a fair bit worse than the young drivers for the fact that they never slowed down unless I gave them the stop sign. The seniors nearly ran me over twice and one went through the construction area when I had the stop sign up and told him repeatedly that he could not go through, I ended up reporting him and hope he lost his licence. The truckers never slowed down either, and they had full loads which would kick up a dust storm and should have known that every time they don't slow down I am hit in the face with rocks.

The only extremely irate driver I met was a middle aged guy who proceeded to nearly run me over while he was going in reverse to turn around, only reason I wasn't hit was because I noticed he wasn't going to stop and ran for safety. Meanwhile the natives pulled up for a chat and I had an overall good time when they were around.

[andyt]

Benn Benn:

jeff744 jeff744:

the ranking I found were natives > young > middle > senior > truckers.

Are you for real? That makes sense to you?

So where do young Native Truckers fall?

How about a young native Trucker vs a white middle aged non-trucker?

[jeff744]

andyt andyt:

Benn Benn:

jeff744 jeff744:

the ranking I found were natives > young > middle > senior > truckers.

Are you for real? That makes sense to you?

So where do young Native Truckers fall?

How about a young native Trucker vs a white middle aged non-trucker?

No system is perfect and I never claimed it was, this was what I found through months of standing beside the road. Also, my middle was what I could tell to be drivers from their mid 20s to senior (not hard to tell a new driver from an older one)

Hell, statistics agree with me about drunk drivers.

$1:

Of the 1,946 traffic fatalities among children ages 0 to 14 years old, 21% involved alcohol. (2005)

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24% of the driver deaths in the 16-20 age group were drinking drivers.
49% of the driver deaths in the 21-25 age group were drinking drivers.(2006)

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The age group with the highest percentage of drunk drivers involved in fatal car crashes was 25-34. This age group accounted for 26% of the fatal accidents. (2007)

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The age groups that accounted for the largest percent of alcohol-related traffic deaths were ages 25-34 and 45-64. Each made up 23% of the deaths in 2007. (2007)

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The 21-24 age group accounted for 34% of all alcohol-impaired-drivers who died in accidents in 2008. The 25-34 demographic accounted for 31%, while those from 35-44 years of age accounted for 25%.
Despite being under the legal drinking age, American teens from the ages of 16-20 were more likely to be killed while driving under the influence than adults ages 55-64. Teens accounted for 17% of all drivers who were involved in drunk driving crashes, while those from 55-64 accounted for 12%.(2008)

$1:

1,347 children ages 14 and younger died as occupants in car accidents in 2008. Of those deaths, 216 (approx 16%) were the direct result of drunk drivers. (2008)

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For drivers ages 16 to 20 involved in fatal crashes, 27 percent of them involved alcohol.
For drivers ages 21 to 25, 44 percent of drivers killed had been drinking. (2009)

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Nearly one-third (31%) of driver deaths ages 16-20 were drinking drivers, which is an increase from 2009.
One-half (50%) of deaths ages 21 to 25 were drinking drivers, up from 44% in 2009. The 26-30 age range improved to 45%, down from 51% in 2009. (2010)

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/drunk-drivin ... stics.html

[andyt]

OK, but your statistics have nothing to do with this law. It's not about drunk drivers, it's about consuming any alchohol at all. You're not really claiming that people in the 16 to 20 age group drive drunk just as often as the older ones, but have less accidents, are you? For the first bit when you get your license you're going to be more careful. And, as we've heard so often, kids under the legal drinking age find pot easier to get than alcohol. Maybe they should run the numbers for pot instead.

As I've said, I don't think this law will accomplish all that much. But it's not much of a burden on 19 and 20 year olds either, IMO. Not sure what has you so upset about it. Maybe we should emulate some of the Scandinavian countries. My understanding is they have this law but it applies to everybody.

[raydan]

What it may do is pound into young drivers the fact that you don't drink and drive. No better time to do this then when they start driving, and some may go as long as 5 years with this restriction.

You never know, the good habit may stick with a few of them... for life.

[Brenda]

raydan raydan:

What it may do is pound into young drivers the fact that you don't drink and drive. No better time to do this then when they start driving, and some may go as long as 5 years with this restriction.

You never know, the good habit may stick with a few of them... for life.

WE, as parents, should make clear that BEFORE they start driving, they know they cannot drink and drive.
We also should show them how it is done.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

raydan raydan:

What it may do is pound into young drivers the fact that you don't drink and drive. No better time to do this then when they start driving, and some may go as long as 5 years with this restriction.

You never know, the good habit may stick with a few of them... for life.

WE, as parents, should make clear that BEFORE they start driving, they know they cannot drink and drive.
We also should show them how it is done.

[Tricks]

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff, just cause someone is young doesn't make them a worse driver. Make this the rule for ALL ages.

[raydan]

Tricks Tricks:

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff, just cause someone is young doesn't make them a worse driver. Make this the rule for ALL ages.

I'm sure you can find that the numbers are pretty much the same across the country...
In Québec, 16-24 year olds make up 10% of all drivers, but are involved in 24% of all accidents with injuries.

Now, I'm not saying there are NO good young drivers, but it's probably easy to understand why they have more accidents. Less experience and I think it's well known that the younger you are, the more risk-taker you are.

[Tricks]

So? Natives make up a disproportionate amount of the prison population. Should we racially profile them?

[2Cdo]

Tricks Tricks:

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff, just cause someone is young doesn't make them a worse driver. Make this the rule for ALL ages.

The law, I believe, should not specifically target young people but instead target NEW drivers. NEW drivers are inexperienced and with the addition of alcohol become a recipe for disaster!

[Tricks]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Tricks Tricks:

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff, just cause someone is young doesn't make them a worse driver. Make this the rule for ALL ages.

The law, I believe, should not specifically target young people but instead target NEW drivers. NEW drivers are inexperienced and with the addition of alcohol become a recipe for disaster!

It shouldn't target anyone, make it a blanket.

but if it's going to target someone, make it new drivers, agreed.

[raydan]

What can I say, good habits are easier to get when you're young. I think what they hope here is that the habit of not drinking and driving will stick with them.