[Freakinoldguy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Utter bullshit and yet her nearly as batshit crazy lawyer is all over tv saying she needs to be heard at the senate hearings.

Sorry, but if she truly needs to be heard it should be by a psychiatrist because it's becoming more and more apparent she's trying to block Kavanaugh's appointment till the mid term elections are over. Which means the Dem's are confident enough that they think after the mid terms they'll have enough people elected to put a stop to this or any other of Trumps appointees.

[N_Fiddledog]

[Sunnyways]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, this is where I have a problem. If the accuser is found to have lied, or embellished the accusation then they should face the same legal consequences as the accused. Because, the excuse that "if we punished the liars the actual victims wouldn't come forward" is nothing more than an excuse to allow abuses and excesses which constitute nothing more than witch hunts.

And trust me, having been on the receiving end of one of these witch hunts I know all about it.

That sounds a little weird even for CKA. Would this ‘equal punishment for witnesses’ program apply to any other alleged crimes?

[Thanos]

Defamation, libel, and slander civil trials are where those kind of false accusations are settled. With the lack of those trials that ever happen after these sort of claims are made are to me are just proof that the women are usually telling the truth. Things like the Jian Ghomeshi trial, where he actually turned out to be a completely innocent scumbag with a freak fetish being persecuted by several women holding the same grudge against him, are the exceptions and not the rule.

Prof. Ford is now receiving death threats from the MAGA mob, and she probably knew this would happen even before she spoke out. Unless she's genuinely insane for fame/infamy why would she do this, and put her physical safety at risk, unless there was truth behind what she said Kavanaugh allegedly did to her?

[BartSimpson]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, this is where I have a problem. If the accuser is found to have lied, or embellished the accusation then they should face the same legal consequences as the accused. Because, the excuse that "if we punished the liars the actual victims wouldn't come forward" is nothing more than an excuse to allow abuses and excesses which constitute nothing more than witch hunts.

And trust me, having been on the receiving end of one of these witch hunts I know all about it.

That sounds a little weird even for CKA. Would this ‘equal punishment for witnesses’ program apply to any other alleged crimes?

I'd love to apply this to police and prosecutors who frame people for murder and then have them executed.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Prof. Ford is now receiving death threats from the MAGA mob...

Says the deeply outraged guy who threatened to kill President Trump.

[Thanos]

Says the guy who regularly intimates that a "second amendment solution" is all that's needed to solve pretty much any problem or dispute of any nature.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Says the guy who regularly intimates that a "second amendment solution" is all that's needed to solve pretty much any problem or dispute of any nature.

No, John Adams in one of his letters referred to the Second Amendment as the 'fourth check and balance' on government power should the first three fail. That's what it is for.

An armed populace is absolutely necessary to the security of a free state because when granted power over the powerless imperfect people have a nagging tendency to do whatever the hell they want.

Which is why one of the hallmarks of tyranny is when a government disarms its citizens.

Also, you're still the person who was foolish enough to make a specific threat of immediate and proximate harm against the President of the United States of America.

Which is why your offense at some bunch of yahoos threatening a crazy woman is rather comical.

[Thanos]

I only state the truth about that skell you voted to be the leader of your rapidly declining and ethically-empty country. Your belief that I'm sitting here in a permanent state of brewing fury is your own delusion. I observe, I comment, and that's all.

[BartSimpson]

Punisher Punisher:

I only state the truth about that skell you voted to be the leader of your rapidly declining and ethically-empty country. Your belief that I'm sitting here in a permanent state of brewing fury is your own delusion. I observe, I comment, and that's all.

I never said you were in a state of 'permanently brewing fury' but thank you for putting a name to it. I'll be sure to use that in the future.

[Freakinoldguy]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, this is where I have a problem. If the accuser is found to have lied, or embellished the accusation then they should face the same legal consequences as the accused. Because, the excuse that "if we punished the liars the actual victims wouldn't come forward" is nothing more than an excuse to allow abuses and excesses which constitute nothing more than witch hunts.

And trust me, having been on the receiving end of one of these witch hunts I know all about it.

That sounds a little weird even for CKA. Would this ‘equal punishment for witnesses’ program apply to any other alleged crimes?

Given that assumption must mean you think this woman was witness to a crime committed on her person and as such should be immune to prosecution for false accusation even if the act never happened?

Witnesses don't make accusations they give their version of events (which are usually wildly unreliable), accusers do though and when they make "FALSE" accusations they legally commit a crime and should be punished for it, not lauded and allowed to carry on with impunity.

$1:

Intentional False Accusations

It should be clear that a person who accidentally makes a false accusation to police is unlikely to face any criminal penalty at all. A person will not face criminal prosecution if they, in good faith, report someone they believe has committed a crime. But if the accuser has no reasonable basis to believe a crime has been committed, then they may be wandering into the false accusations territory where criminal (and civil) liability could exist.

Nearly every jurisdiction has some criminal statute that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly provide a false report to law enforcement. In addition to the misdemeanor, which could land a person in jail for up to one year, intentionally making false accusations to the police results in potential civil liability.

Apart from the emotional distress, and life disruption, caused by a false report, because the act is intentional, the accuser could be on the hook for punitive damages, in addition to compensatory damages. Punitive damages are monetary awards that are designed to punish wrongdoers, rather than compensate victims for their losses.

https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2017/ ... crime.html

Another question. If these accusations are proven to be fabricated or unsubstantiated do you think this woman was just "mistaken" about who "didn't" commit the assault or if it even happened?

If these accusations turn out to be an unfounded which is becoming more and more likely then, it's an illegal and morally wrong tactic being used to stop a proceeding and disqualify a person from holding office because of his "political" affiliation nothing more nothing less.

And, the people who are in favour of or condone actions like this in deciding a persons fitness for holding office are no better than the accuser.

[Freakinoldguy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, this is where I have a problem. If the accuser is found to have lied, or embellished the accusation then they should face the same legal consequences as the accused. Because, the excuse that "if we punished the liars the actual victims wouldn't come forward" is nothing more than an excuse to allow abuses and excesses which constitute nothing more than witch hunts.

And trust me, having been on the receiving end of one of these witch hunts I know all about it.

That sounds a little weird even for CKA. Would this ‘equal punishment for witnesses’ program apply to any other alleged crimes?

I'd love to apply this to police and prosecutors who frame people for murder and then have them executed.

Same shit should apply to ANYONE who KNOWINGLY makes false accusations especially if they result in a loss of life or in the destruction of someones life.

Trouble is proving that it was a false accusation especially given that the accuser can just claim they were "mistaken" to avoid prosecution.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Punisher Punisher:

I only state the truth about that skell you voted to be the leader of your rapidly declining and ethically-empty country. Your belief that I'm sitting here in a permanent state of brewing fury is your own delusion. I observe, I comment, and that's all.

I never said you were in a state of 'permanently brewing fury' but thank you for putting a name to it. I'll be sure to use that in the future.

The best thing about Frank Castle is that he doesn't lie. Or tolerate those who do.

[BartSimpson]

Hey, at least we agree on Frank Castle!

[Tricks]

Second accusation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... ah-ramirez