[Thanos]

Kavanaugh hasn't, and won't be, charged with any crime. The court of public opinion has it's own rules though. All I know IMO is that anyone appointed by Donald Trump probably has the same shitty opinion of those that Trump also thinks are lessers to be treated like garbage. And that includes the vast majority of women who Trump, that manliest of all manly-man pussy-grabbers, obviously and openly believes exist only for the pleasure and amusement of "men" like him.

Nothing's going to happen to Kavanaugh anyway. The job is still effectively his already. Just keep in mind what his actual character is when his decisions come down, not the waffling weasel-words he's uttered on cue for the Judiciary Committee. Anyone who isn't on the same side of the religious and corporate right-wing is going to have their existing constitutional and legal rights completely gutted by this new uber-extremist "conservative" Supreme Court. It's just the way it is. That Orwellian "boot smashing down on a human face for eternity" that the hard-core rightists in the US have openly lusted for over the last four or five decades is about to be launched.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

That Orwellian "boot smashing down on a human face for eternity" that the hard-core rightists in the US have openly lusted for over the last four or five decades is about to be launched.

And all 65 million of us are getting ready to lace up our Doc Martens and line up to stomp on your face.

We've lusted for the chance to stomp on your face for fifty years! When I was four years old I remember telling my mom, "Mommy, I can't wait for the day when I can stomp on Thanos' face!"

In 1980 when Ronald Reagan ran for President he promised Americans that someday soon we'd be able to stomp on your face!

And now we're on the verge of stomping on your face!

And we're very lusty about it, too!

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The rule of law in numerous countries has now been subverted to the point where accusations equal guilt and people are having their lives ruined with no chance of recourse because of it. But what's really amazing is that politicians, political parties and their followers are actively condoning the abuse of this Charter article and their own laws in order to attack their opposition.

It's disgusting when you think about it. Accusations of a sexual nature should be dealt with in the same manner as any other criminal investigation and not made tabloid news. In no way shape or form should a public forum be used to assess guilt or innocence and if the accusations are found baseless or lies the accuser should be held to account through the same system they tried to use to advantage.

I don't like to see people tried in the media, and especially on things that happened decades ago. I know that I am not the same person I was in high school. And it pisses me off when a company judges me for smoking weed in University but ignores the decades of good work I've done since then (which I was being interviewed for).

That said . . . he is being considered for the Supreme Court. There is a little scrutiny involved there.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Kavanaugh hasn't, and won't be, charged with any crime. The court of public opinion has it's own rules though. All I know IMO is that anyone appointed by Donald Trump probably has the same shitty opinion of those that Trump also thinks are lessers to be treated like garbage. And that includes the vast majority of women who Trump, that manliest of all manly-man pussy-grabbers, obviously and openly believes exist only for the pleasure and amusement of "men" like him.

Nothing's going to happen to Kavanaugh anyway. The job is still effectively his already. Just keep in mind what his actual character is when his decisions come down, not the waffling weasel-words he's uttered on cue for the Judiciary Committee. Anyone who isn't on the same side of the religious and corporate right-wing is going to have their existing constitutional and legal rights completely gutted by this new uber-extremist "conservative" Supreme Court. It's just the way it is. That Orwellian "boot smashing down on a human face for eternity" that the hard-core rightists in the US have openly lusted for over the last four or five decades is about to be launched.

And none of that is going to change what's happening to people now. It happened to Al Franken, it happened to Roy Moore, it happened to Les Moonves and it's going to continue to happen over and over again because it's become a far to valuable tool to for zealots to use to settle a score and in the divisive politics attack arsenal.

When you think about it the only person who's gone to court up to this point is Bill Cosby and he was found guilty based on the number of accusations levied against him and what some claim was because that many accusations must be proof beyond reasonable doubt.

But, what I'm getting at is that it's far to easy to levy an accusation and far to easy to be found guilty in the court of public opinion which, is then transferred to a punishment that exceeds any rule of law.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

When you think about it the only person who's gone to court up to this point is Bill Cosby and he was found guilty based on the number of accusations levied against him and what some claim was because that many accusations must be proof beyond reasonable doubt.

From what I read, the Jurors found that previous testimony from Cosby about giving women Quaaludes basically removed all reasonable doubt for them.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The rule of law in numerous countries has now been subverted to the point where accusations equal guilt and people are having their lives ruined with no chance of recourse because of it. But what's really amazing is that politicians, political parties and their followers are actively condoning the abuse of this Charter article and their own laws in order to attack their opposition.

It's disgusting when you think about it. Accusations of a sexual nature should be dealt with in the same manner as any other criminal investigation and not made tabloid news. In no way shape or form should a public forum be used to assess guilt or innocence and if the accusations are found baseless or lies the accuser should be held to account through the same system they tried to use to advantage.

I don't like to see people tried in the media, and especially on things that happened decades ago. I know that I am not the same person I was in high school. And it pisses me off when a company judges me for smoking weed in University but ignores the decades of good work I've done since then (which I was being interviewed for).

That said . . . he is being considered for the Supreme Court. There is a little scrutiny involved there.

Absolutely and any accusation must be taken seriously investigated and if found substantive have action taken. Then if it was an illegal act and not a just a moral one, the perpetrator should be punished. So, if he's on the SC of the US he should be removed immediately no questions asked. As it stands now this accusation has the appearence of being nothing more than a stalling tactic by Democrats to prevent Kavanaugh's appointment till after the mid terms.

But, this is where I have a problem. If the accuser is found to have lied, or embellished the accusation then they should face the same legal consequences as the accused. Because, the excuse that "if we punished the liars the actual victims wouldn't come forward" is nothing more than an excuse to allow abuses and excesses which constitute nothing more than witch hunts.

And trust me, having been on the receiving end of one of these witch hunts I know all about it.

[N_Fiddledog]

There are just too many cases of leftists found to be hoaxing charges to ignore the possibility that's what's happening here.

In fact some would say 'probability.'

[Prof_Chomsky]

Thanos Thanos:

The basic fact is that if Trump wants something then what he wants is bad for almost everyone else. With Kavanaugh, just like Gorsuch, it'll start with Roe v Wade and then work it's way through all the other "conservative" talking points, like approvals for rampant gerrymandering, immunity for criminal politicians, and a rapid increase in the erosion of protections for the individual in favour of corporate "rights".

But what the fuck do you care anyway. You're for all of this shit, the sort of stuff that would have sent your Founders into a rage at the very thought of what the right-wingers want. You'll scream and yell and snowflake like a goddamn child whenever the government says boo to you but at the same time you'll bend over and happily spread your cheeks if an even worse intrusion or obliteration of rights happens to serve the interests of the financial sector and your plutocrat superiors. For all the game you right-wingers talk about freedom and liberty you're usually the first ones to volunteer to be slaves to whoever comes along with the most money.

This was both amazingly accurate and hilarious at the same time.
Well done!

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

When you think about it the only person who's gone to court up to this point is Bill Cosby and he was found guilty based on the number of accusations levied against him and what some claim was because that many accusations must be proof beyond reasonable doubt.

From what I read, the Jurors found that previous testimony from Cosby about giving women Quaaludes basically removed all reasonable doubt for them.

You're probably right. I thought he'd denied it but apparently he's an idiot. Not only for going on stage when he said he was blind but actually admitting to getting drugs for women. But in fairness he never admitted to drugging them non consensually.

$1:

The revelation this week that Bill Cosby admitted under oath to buying quaaludes to give to young women to have sex rocked the entertainment world and added fuel to the allegations that the comedian had drugged and sexually assaulted several women. But it also raised the question: Why would Cosby, who had the ability to hire the best legal counsel money could buy, make such a damning admission in the first place?

It turns out that Cosby’s disclosure about the quaaludes—which came during a 2005 deposition— may not have been as legally explosive then as it appears now.

Benjamin Brafman, a prominent New York criminal defense attorney, who does not represent Cosby, said the partial transcript of the deposition released by the Associated Press does not show that Cosby violated a law. Cosby apparently obtained quaaludes through a prescription, the AP reported.

In the deposition, which stemmed from a sexual abuse case against Cosby filed by a former Temple University employee, Cosby was asked by a lawyer, “When you got the quaaludes [in the 1970s], was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?” Cosby answered, “Yes.”

Brafman said the transcript is damaging to Cosby and “will haunt him for the rest of his life,” but it does not show that he committed a crime.

“There is no acknowledgement that he gave the quaalude to someone underage, or to a woman who wasn’t consenting,” Brafman told TIME. “Quaalude was the love drug of choice in those years. Doctors were lawfully prescribing it in those years.”

Brafman pointed out that Cosby could have been court-ordered to give the deposition, and it would have been worse if he had lied under oath.

“You don’t know what prompted the lawyer to ask the question,” Brafman said. “They may have had copies of prescriptions or testimony of doctors. For Cosby, making the admission under oath, even though it is damaging, it is preferable to perjury.”

Brafman added: “From a public relations standpoint, it is a disaster, but I’m not sure it necessarily advances the ball in terms of any legal proceedings.”

But lawyers representing women who say Cosby sexually assaulted them disagree, saying Cosby’s admission adds weight to their accusations. “The women have been saying they’ve been drugged and abused, and these documents appear to support the allegations,” lawyer Joe Cammarata, who represents Therese Serignese, one of the women who says she was sexually assaulted by Cosby, told the AP.

Quaaludes, the brand name for methaqualone, were a popular sleeping pill in the 1960s and were used in the 1970s and ’80s as a club drug, particularly to help people come off of a cocaine high. In 1973, they were classified as a Schedule 11 federal narcotic, which means doctors could still prescribe quaaludes but it was illegal to abuse them (Adderall is a Schedule 11 drug today). In 1984 President Ronald Reagan signed a law banning the production of the drug, making it illegal. Cosby’s admission concerns a period during the 1970s, when quaaludes would have been legal with a prescription.

Philip Jenkins, a professor of history at Baylor University and the author of Decade of Nightmares: The End of the Sixties and the Making of Eighties America, who spoke generally about the use of quaaludes in the ’70s and not specifically about how Bill Cosby may have used them, said that drug was indeed believed to be an aphrodisiac that consenting adults could use to have sex. “Quaaludes were something that was meant to send you to sleep,” Jenkins told TIME. “But it was also supposed to be the world’s greatest aphrodisiac. It was meant to knock you out, but also give you an overpowering sense of sexual urge.”

In 1980, Shel Silverstein, the children’s book author, penned a song popular in the era’s dorm rooms called “Quaaludes Again,” featuring a stanza about the sexual urges Quaaludes elicited:

She’s doin’ quaaludes again.

She fumbles and stumbles
And falls down the stairs,
Makes love to the leg of the dining room chair.
She’s ready for animals, women or men.

She’s doin’ quaaludes again.

But Jenkins cautioned that though quaaludes could be used to enhance sex, just like ecstasy in a later era, they have also played a role in sexual assaults against women. Director Roman Polanski was accused of giving a 13-year-old quaaludes and champagne before raping her in the late 1970s, according to the accuser’s account.

In the deposition, the question of how Cosby used the quaaludes goes unanswered.

“Did you ever give any of those young women the quaaludes without their knowledge?” Cosby was asked.

Before Cosby could respond, his lawyer intervened, saying, “Object to the question.”

http://time.com/3951761/bill-cosby-quaa ... sion-oath/


So despite his and his lawyers claim that he only gave women Quaalude's to enhance sex the jury must have felt he used them to drug unwilling partners which still makes me wonder how much of their decision was influenced by the court of public opinion?

The real litmus test will be the Harvey Weinstein case because there is no admissions of any digressions and no concrete evidence of non consensual sex.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

That Orwellian "boot smashing down on a human face for eternity" that the hard-core rightists in the US have openly lusted for over the last four or five decades is about to be launched.

And all 65 million of us are getting ready to lace up our Doc Martens and line up to stomp on your face.

We've lusted for the chance to stomp on your face for fifty years! When I was four years old I remember telling my mom, "Mommy, I can't wait for the day when I can stomp on Thanos' face!"

In 1980 when Ronald Reagan ran for President he promised Americans that someday soon we'd be able to stomp on your face!

And now we're on the verge of stomping on your face!

And we're very lusty about it, too!

Like I've said before there's plenty of other untermensch in your own country that need to be brought to heel and to put the boots to before you have time to give sappy ol' Canada the Czechoslovakia 1938 treatment. That doesn't mean we're off your radar though, not with the way Trump's cast us as the villains responsible for all your own self-inflicted economic idiocy and with the way the gullibles that worship him have all gone along with it.

That being said I do believe that the largest existential threat to Canada is now the United States, just like it was before the alliances of the 20th century formed due to World War One. And that's thanks entirely to Trump's rabid belligerence and lust to dominate all around him. And Canada is now in the sad position of not having a super-powered Mother Britain to stand with us, so we're basically fucked.

[BartSimpson]

Oh, and it gets even worse!!!

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Like I've said before there's plenty of other untermensch in your own country that need to be brought to heel and to put the boots to before you have time to give sappy ol' Canada the Czechoslovakia 1938 treatment. That doesn't mean we're off your radar though, not with the way Trump's cast us as the villains responsible for all your own self-inflicted economic idiocy and with the way the gullibles that worship him have all gone along with it.

That being said I do believe that the largest existential threat to Canada is now the United States, just like it was before the alliances of the 20th century formed due to World War One. And that's thanks entirely to Trump's rabid belligerence and lust to dominate all around him. And Canada is now in the sad position of not having a super-powered Mother Britain to stand with us, so we're basically fucked.

After we invade and conquer Canada in the second week of November (you see we have to get it done before the Thanksgiving holiday) THEN we're going to stomp on your face.

So you'd best hurry up and build your hunker-bunker and stock it up with plenty of maple syrup and Timbits (I'd tell you to stock up on guns and ammo but I know you find those things rude, even in the face of an invading army) and hang out your "RESIST!" flag and show us Yankees just how tough you really are!

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Oh, and it gets even worse!!!

Who's the source? I thought if they don't name them it means jackshit.

Just wondering for furture reference, even though I agree with you. Can't bleat about unnamed sources, then use one for your own gain.

[MeganC]

I have unnamed sources!

[N_Fiddledog]